Raiders only had 10 players on field during last play.

Did everyone hear the clip of the Raiders' Tommy Kelly saying "old boy choked" when talking about Matt Schaub. Hot dang.

 

A raiders fanboy slinging rocks about choking makes me very non-plussed.

Have your sad-sack franchise win something before you go mouthing off.

Hell, the raiders are already owners of the nfl's biggest choke job this year @ Buffalo.

 

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Confused. I'm not a Raider's fan and Tommy Kelly is a player not a fanboy.

 

god, it's even worse then. he helped engineer that collapse at buffalo. f*** him.

(and none of that was directed at you)

 

Agreed. He broke the current route right when Matt was passing the ball. He could and should have been in that spot to catch it, but suddenly decided to make a break for the back corner.

 

Yeah after rewatching it's all on JJ in my mind now. He made a move to spin around and come back the other way which got Huff behind him. If he keeps moving forward we win the game. Instead he comes to a stop to try another move confused after the ball had already been released and Huff just goes past him and catches it. What a terrible play.

It was an all around disastrous day for Jacoby. Between that and his dancing crap on the punt returns. Sigh.

 

Actually JJ broke the route because it was covered, if he keeps running the ball is way behind him.

It was a miscommunication on a broken play, something that might have worked if Schaub was throwing to AJ, as he would have tossed it up high and made it a jump ball etc.

Honestly, the only thing that could have been done a bit differently was for Matt to hold the ball to the last second, and seen where JJ was going.

JJ saw some open space, and moved towards it, but Matt had already thrown the ball....

No blame that I can see, just miscommunication under extreme durress.

Personally, I wish Matt would have run it in, or at least tried too, when someone is coming at you full speed all you have to do is step a little to either direction to force a miss....I think he might have been able to make it.

Oh well.

DD

 

You're right not sure what I was thinking :grin:

 

I put it on Schaub. Jones was open just before he made his pump fake. In fact it looks like Schaub was looking right at him in the corner and instead turned toward the middle of the endzone, pump faked, looked back, saw Jones and threw up a floater that would have been picked off even if Jones had continued the right because it was thrown behind him.

 

1) No he wasnt completely covered by any means. stop it at 9 second. The CB is to JJs back. He is open. Also, would have been behind him IF JJs continued crossing, but when a defender is on your back and there is a open zone, you pin the CB and sit in that zone. It's football basic. That pass would have been right there for JJ to grab, with the defender behind him.

2) it was a miscommunication but mostly because JJ was stupid.

3) the safety is 4 yards away and has him in his sights...you think it's really that easy to just give a "olay"? really? you're going to be that unrealistic? THis is Matt freaking Schaub...not Barry Sanders.

The fact that any still says/thinks he should have run it is just amazingly dense.

 

Spot on. I hadn't rewatched until just then either.

Wow. just won. stupid stupid running by the receiver. If you stop the video at 9 second, JJ has the defender on his back and Schaub is starting to make the throw. If you stop it at 10 seconds, Shcaub is moving his arm forward for the throw and JJ still effectively has the defender on his back, though is thinking about moving backwards.

Even in the scenario where it was just bad luck timing, and JJ was looking to make another move, that was his move? Slowly stumble backwards a bit?

 

But he was saying that Schaub should've run it in. He obviously hadn't seen a replay at that point. No way Schaub gets in the endzone if he runs. To me, his opinion matters less because of that.

 

Interesting how so many can look at the same thing and see it differently. I paused it at 9 seconds: JJ is open (considerably wide open, actually) but Schaub, IMO, is looking *right* at the safety. For those that want to bag Schaub, his eyes should have been on his WRs, not worrying about a safety. (ie He was afraid of getting hit.) My only defense is that he had "RUN!" stuck in his head at that exact moment.

I put most of it on Schaub. And Walter, who didn;t continue his route across the middle (you can see it from the end zone view).

 

Yeah, Huff was right where Jacoby was when Matt started his throw. Jacoby was open and then as Matt throws the ball, he jumps back, putting the DB between him and the ball.

Jacoby Jones, divining out of the way of passes since 2007.

 

it's impossible to tell where his eyes are. Plus, how do you know he didn't scan the other side of the field to see if another WR was breaking back toward him?

 

Where was OD?

 

God that video is hard to watch.

 

JJ could not have pinned Huff, as soon as Matt through it Huff would have closed that gap and still gotten the INT.

Schaub threw a duck up there, no zip on the ball at all, and even if he did zip it, Huff could still get his arm around to knock it down.

I do think Matt should have run it, or held on to the ball until the last second, tossing it off his back foot with a slow ball and the closing speed of NFL safeties was never going to work.

DD

 

I won't argue about 9 seconds, but at 10 seconds I think it's pretty obvious.

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JJ's got a defender on his back, is even making a move as if to say "I'm keeping this defender on my back", and Schaub is making his throw. Moreover, not being Michael Vick, Schaub has absolutely no chance to run it in. His only 2 options at that point were make the throw he did, or throw it away - 3 seconds left.

Clearly, in retrospect, throw it away would have been the better choice. With 3 seconds left, though, and the amount of time that felt like had already come off the clock, I don't fault Schaub for thinking this was the only chance.

I do fault some combination of him/coaching for ever getting to that point. They should have known they'd have two chances, with Schaub throwing from the pocket. No scrambling. That means "1 one thousand, 2 one thousand, throw". They should have had a corner route somewhere that would have let him throw it away before even scrambling. They should do more corner routes in general in the red zone. I can only conclude Schaub is horrible at it, since they NEVER do it, when so so so many other teams do it often and successfully. Maybe these receivers weren't the ones to do it with, but the route should have been there to give Schaub a throw away option.

These are all just made up numbers, but if we're going to make up blame for that play, I think it goes:

JJ: 50% - 60%
Schaub: 20% - 25%
Coaching: 20% - 25%

I mean, seriously, what was that play anyways?

 

So according to this thread, Matt isnt a p***y because there was no way he could go 4 yards to win the game.... Instead its JJ fault because he should improv after his initial improv to get open... JJ should have known the ball was released and continued toward where more defenders were stationed... Not only that but Matt has an obvious cannon for an arm and he would have threaded it into his anti-Allstate hands... I wonder if this is racially motivated!!