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So, that Texas Revolution thing...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. LonghornFan

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    I met and had my picture taken with Sam Houston 4th generation. The Texas Army just happened to be at Hickory Hollow while we were there for his 80th birthday two weekends ago. He looked EERILY similar to his great, great, great, great grandfather when I placed the pic next to the one on Wikipedia. As a Texas history buff, and one of the proudest Texans you will ever meet, that was like meeting a movie star in my world.
     
  2. rimbaud

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    Good song

    Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky?
    He got an ice pick
    That made his ears burn

    Whatever happened to dear old Lenny?
    The great Elmyra, and Sancho Panza?
    Whatever happened to the heroes?
    Whatever happened to the heroes?

    Whatever happened to all the heroes?
    All the Shakespearoes?
    They watched their Rome burn
    Whatever happened to the heroes?
    Whatever happened to the heroes?

    No more heroes any more
    No more heroes any more

    Whatever happened to all the heroes?
    All the Shakespearoes?
    They watched their Rome burn
    Whatever happened to the heroes?
    Whatever happened to the heroes?

    No more heroes any more
    No more heroes any more
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    The war of Northern aggression...
     
  4. conquistador#11

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    What about the original tejanos that helped win the battlefights? they were mistreated as if they were the enemy.
     
  5. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Only a sith deals in absolutes
     
  6. CrazyDave

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    Nothing rights history like re-righting history. Would be interested to read though, as well as the suggestions from Jo.
     
  7. Scionxa

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    Juan Seguin is a traitor lol
     
  8. JayZ750

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    I think the issue is hero is a bad choice or word. They were adventurers, and harbinger's of change. As was the case with many of the adventurers of the olden days. Men (and women) with little to risk because of their current life situation - which they got in because of their own questionable actions.

    Similar in may ways to heroes, or to entrepreneurs, perhaps, but often coming from a different place.
     
  9. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Texas was a place where a lot of people went to escape their troubles. As was pointed out, sometimes it was debt. Sometimes, with the more well known, it might be driven by political failure, their pride driving them to the frontier where they could be a big fish in a much smaller pond. Sometimes they came because of a woman, or a duel. One of my ancestors fit that last description, running away from wealth and status to Texas, something we found out about in the 1950's when one of the sons of a plantation family in North Carolina decided to write a family history and found my grandmother. Despite what people are saying about slavery, most of the early Texans who came here couldn't afford them. They just wanted cheap, good land, along with a chance to make their way and take care of their family, if they had one. I have an ancestor who was like that and was at San Jacinto.

    Folks tend to fixate on one thing or another when looking at Texas history, which has it's warts, god knows, but every kind of man and woman came here. When faced with a lunatic dictator who scorned the conventions of war, they fought and fought hard. They had no choice. It was fight, be killed, or flee the country, and most didn't have much to flee to, or flee with. It's a pity that we've had such a long period of bad government at the executive level, with weak leaders in the legislature. I think it colors in a negative way the entire state, when most Texans are just living their lives, with little concern for politics. And that lack of concern is a large part of the problem. Things weren't always like this, and they won't stay this way. The worm will turn.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    I think the more problematic aspect with the glorified portrait of Texas history that we were fed as kids isn't so much that Travis was kind of a jackass, Bowie was a scumbag, etc etc....but the whole fact that maintenence of slavery (whether it was pretextual or not) as a huge motivating factor for the revolution, which a lot of the historical record indicates it was.

    "We're fighting for our freedom! To keep negroes as slaves!" has a bad ring to it. .....also the whole illegal alien thing is kind of ultra-ironic given modern-day politics.
     
  11. Nook

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    I bet you suck at parties.
     
  12. DonkeyMagic

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    as if he's ever invited to one.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    No but your mom does; major burn.

    As an aside: Does anybody who posts in this forum have a higher post-count-to-funny/interesting ratio than the Magic man? You could argue DD, but he's often high on the uninentional comedy scale.

    I think maybe SwoLy-D could give him a run for his money but that's about it.
     
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  15. DonkeyMagic

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    well that's just below the belt.
     
  16. gifford1967

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    I think you nailed it. Swoly and the magical ass are running neck and neck.
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    All crapping on tx history need to watch lonesome dove.

    no seriously, good information, interesting thread
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    People can have heroic qualities, or do heroic things, or maintain a heroic integrity.

    But there is no such thing as "hero" in a pure sense.
     
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  19. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    If you think that Texas history is bad - let me tell you a story about the United States and Native Americans.

    I can also research any point in recorded history and find something awful about it, especially when it suits my rhetoric. That's just how it goes.
     
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