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[Holy Cow] Herb Cain has 20-point lead on Romney

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 7, 2011.

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  1. greenhippos

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    Cain being uneducated is what frightens me
     
  2. Commodore

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    Man when a black strays off the Democratic plantation the left gets nasty. Bets on who will be the first member to call Cain an Uncle Tom/Oreo?

    poor Candy Crowley can't get Cain to admit that America is a racist country

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    Who needs education when you have the rudimentary workings of the Laffer Curve, and not much else!

    Cain Econ 101-Laffer Curve! Deficit Spending on The "Great Wall of Mexico"!
    Cain Middle East Affairs 101-"Right of return?!"
    Cain Theology 101-"Muslims are bad!"
    Cain Ethics 101-"Let's make the Iraqis pay for killing them!"
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    I dunno, who was the first dumbass conservative to rebut the significance of Barack's election by repeating that he was half black? I will admit I was a little annoyed about her calling him lucky: most people's education and income are in part based on their social environment and peer group; for people like Clarence Thomas, Vernon Jordan, Condi Rice or Herman Cain to do have done it black and coming out of the South back then actually requires some real internal drive. I do still believe that blacks interests will always, on average, be better served by whichever party identifies itself with the poor; those lines are drawn in permanent, invisible ink.
     
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    He probably should have been the one running the RNC, even though I honestly thought Steele could have worked out if he had just stuck to some talking points.
     
  7. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The reason the black unemployment rate is seven points higher than the rest of the country is because blacks hold themselves back? That's going to play really well! :grin:
     
  8. SamFisher

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    I'll bet 40 acres and a mule on you, honker:
     
  9. greenhippos

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    The only thing I got from that video was apparently in all of the businesses Cain ran, he didn't work with Asians. :grin:
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    The problem with blacks being Republican or voting republican in a national race is that last Republican president we had appointed a couple of racists to head up the civil rights division at the justice department.

    That's a slap in the face to anyone of color. The guy was president and that's who he appoints? There was never any apology or any sign of sensitivity.

    Furthermore it's insulting for Cain or you or anyone else to act like black people don't make up their own mind who to vote for. To act like they don't weigh the choices and look at issues but instead just vote in block because of their race is insulting.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    its not a 9-9-9 plan on top of the current tax system. i know how to add 8.25 and 9, thanks. your current federal income tax would be lower.

    look, i said i don't know if its viable, i just like that someone truly put out a plan to simplify the tax code.

    on cain overall, on chuck todd's show this morning they were making the point that its pretty obvious dude's only running to promote himself. he probably is surprised he's in this position now. anyway discussion of him as a serious contender is pretty moot until he starts campaigning in the early primary states
     
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    It's like a room full of Halfricans fighting over the last piece of chicken.
     
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    ...............................................I can't name the president of Uzbekistan either, but I know better than to go around calling it an insignificant country if I'm planning to be President. And I'm sure Mr. Cain would have called Afghanistan an insignificant country on September 10th, 2001.
     
  14. glynch

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    Well like simplicity, but realize the particular plan is unjust and absurd.

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    – Together, then, the 9-9-9 plan would have generated a bit less than $1.3 trillion in total federal tax revenue. That may sound like a lot, but it’s only 9.2 percent of GDP. In 2007, we actually collected 18.5 percent of GDP in tax revenue. In other words, the 9-9-9 plan would cut federal revenue in half!
    “Even if we reduced federal spending to the ‘historical average’ (when the population was younger and health care cost much less) it would still leave us with deficits over 11 percent of GDP (bigger than any deficit since WWII, including the deficits of the past three years),” Linden noted.

    Linden also found that someone in the bottom quintile of earners — who currently pays about 2 percent of his or her income in federal taxes — would pay about 18 percent under Cain’s plan (9 percent on every dollar they make, plus 9 percent on every dollar they spent, which would likely be close to all of them). A middle-class individual would see his or her taxes go from about 14 percent to about 18 percent. But someone in the richest one percent of Americans would see his or her tax rate fall from about 28 percent to about 11 percent.

    So Cain’s plan — which has earned accolades from the likes of supply-side guru Art Laffer — would explode the deficit, while increasing taxes on the poor to pay for a giant tax cut for the rich. As Center for American Progress Vice President for Economic Policy Michael Ettlinger put it, the plan “would be the biggest tax shift from the wealthy to the middle-class in the history of taxation, ever, anywhere, and it would bankrupt the country.”
     
  15. Two Sandwiches

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    I applaud Cain for everything he said about racism in that CNN video. I agree completely.

    Hard work will get you a long ways, folks. It may not get me to the NFL, but it will get you to pretty much all of your reasonable goals.
     
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    Glynch's post addressed a lot of this, but how would it be replacing the tax system in Texas? That's a state tax code, not a federal one. Would the states which now have no state income tax, and a state sales tax, be forced/coerced by the federal goverment to rewrite their own state tax codes? I'm not following Cain's "plan" at all. And I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but rather I seriously don't get it.
     
  18. RedNews

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    It is actually alot fairer than we currently are. No exemptions for skipping taxes. No drug dealers and thieves not paying taxes. You pay taxes as you spend, regardless! Rich people tend to spend a lot more than lower class folk, ya know...
     
  19. greenhippos

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    I'm sure however you could pronounce the name of Uzbekistan though, it seems Cain can't. Spot on with the comment about Cain calling any nation, especially one he couldn't locate on a map insignificant and small is pretty...well stupid.
     
  20. thabeet

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    umm. yeah it may not affect rich people as much. that makes it very regressive as poor people will have a larger portion of their income consumed by taxes than rich people.

    the poor people hermain cain is talking to dont get this.

    anyway, i would be very interested in seeing how his national 9-9-9 plan would mesh with states and local govts that have their own income and sales/use taxes.
     

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