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Surprise! Georgia has a farm labor shortage after banning illegals from working

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by geeimsobored, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    So... it's been a few months since the Georgia news broke. How are things there now? Have more American citizens taken up these jobs, thus reducing unemployment in Georgia? One would imagine 3 months is quite enough time to get the word about about the availability of these farm jobs.

    BTW, for those who say "Sure, I'll pay much more on food so that US Citizen workers can make a living wage from their farm jobs," I rather doubt enough people would join you to make it work. If US produced food become that much more expensive, we'll just end up importing more peaches and oranges from Chile and other countries.
     
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  2. Johndoe804

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    And what exactly is a fair wage? Sounds like just an arbitrary opinion to me. I'm sure the people working for $8.00 an hour thought it was more fair than having the law strip them of the way they make a living.

    The blowback from this ridiculous policy will also impose a larger cost on local consumers whose wages aren't rising due to the state's protectionism. This also makes Georgia agriculture less competitive relative to other states. Georgia is wrong about this, and would do well to quit making decisions based on illogical xenophobia.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Actually . . . . since they were criminals.. . .you know. . . law breakers
    I doubt they felt it was fair . . but it was what they would settle for. . . .

    When you on the run from the law . .. . people tend to take advantage of you
    i.e. If you knew your Doctor was on the run . . . i doubt you would pay full
    amount for his services .. . knowing the threat of calling the law was there
    he'd take what you give him . . and be happy with it

    remove the threat .. .well now the price goes up

    Rocket River
     
  4. Johndoe804

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    Which explains why illegal aliens can attain a residence so easily. They aren't on the run. They're out looking for work. If they were on the run, they wouldn't be hanging around Home Depot looking for work. They'd be running.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    It seems. . the market [without the help of illegally inflated potential employee numbers] is stating that the pay for these jobs should rise.

    You allow a 'cheat' . . in the form of the illegal workers . . . then you are cheating the market equation. When we allow companies to artificially skirt the 'market' rules. . . then you cannot turn around and use those rules to justify anything.

    Rocket River
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    But you are not looking at the whole equation. The whole equation involves the overseas market. If these farmers pay more for workers, they will be less competitive than overseas sources so we will import more food versus growing it here.
     
  7. meh

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    It's funny that $8 an hour in China gets you experienced, smart technical laborer with at least college degree if not graduate degree. One who's very good at his profession. In the US it's obviously not enough for manual laborers. Well, that's global economy for you.
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    Yeah your logic is sound. We should continue to import these slaves.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Under that reasoning then prostitutes and hitmen should be dirt cheap.
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It is time we start protecting the American worker more than worrying about the price of goods.

    Let it all work itself out.....properly...

    DD
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    Except though if we are protecting the American worker in a way that increases the price of goods and services while also making American products uncompetitive wouldn't that end up hurting the American worker in the long run?
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    American products are not uncompetitive, especially when we are talking about food stuffs.....the world needs food...lol....it is a commodity like Oil, and honestly the USA is not leveraging it's advantage in this space enough.

    If we need cheap labor, allow some migrant workers in with green cards, and tax their wages....

    Same as anything else....no end arounds......that causes corruption, and hurts the entire system.

    DD
     
  13. ipaman

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    problem is a government subsidy is also a cheat on the market. if you want markets to work let them work, no illegal workers but also no government involvement. unless you're saying you allow the cheats you agree with.
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yeah, $8 isn't enough for workers - companies don't want to pay people a fair wage, so they use illegals or ship jobs oversees so they can make more profits.

    And we are happy to prevent people coming to America to take away jobs we don't want to do, but we are even more happy to let companies give our jobs to foreigners living in other countries without a peep.

    Seems like we are barking up the wrong tree.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I was helping a 33 year old woman in the library on friday fill out an application for taco bell for a job that paid 7.25 an hr. she could read and write and had a hs diploma and no felonies. she did have a problem filling out the app online but that was it.

    just something to think about
     
  16. Johndoe804

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    As sound as yours. First, we aren't "importing" illegal aliens. They come here for better opportunities. Second, they aren't "slaves." Nobody is forcing them to serve a master.
     
  17. RedRedemption

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    Well, after this display. I have undoubtedly shifted my viewpoint from against to for illegal immigration.
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    the LOLopotamus lumbers on...

    More at the link...
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    hilarious
     
  20. Raven

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    Increase pay and you'll get workers, but why increase pay when you can hire illegals. These companies are whining because they can no longer off load cost to the local taxpayers who bear the financial brunt of third world immigration.

    If a company wants to hire immigrants from Guatemala, fine, but that company should feed and house those immigrants, plus address their medical needs, plus educate their children. Instead the local and state taxpayers have to pay for all that. It's BS.

    Illegal immigration is union busting. Period.

    On the other hand, I do not blame immigrants for coming here. They are poor and they are being exploited. But taxpayers are also being exploited. It sucks all the way around.
     

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