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[Future of America] The Hispanic Problem

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Sep 29, 2011.

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Should children of illegal immigrants

  1. Qualify for Texas university in-state tuition rates

    45.8%
  2. Treated like any other low income group in terms of educational inequity

    27.1%
  3. Deported

    27.1%
  1. Ender00

    Ender00 Member

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    i didn't not said punish per say, but do not create a short cut for them. and i am not Chinese. The concept of not shaming your family is not exclusive to just chinese people it is pretty common through out Asia. it doesnt help that most asian countries are influences by either china or india but that is not the point.

    I believe in hard work and paying your due, i am so upset about this is because i have seen first hand what happen to people who play by the rules and who doesn't. It seems to me that people who play by the rule are getting the short end of the stick and the cheater are getting away with everything.

    I want to teach my kids that if you works hard and keep your nose clean good things will happen. I don't want them to be corrupt by all the short cut and the easy way out. It is not ok to do things because a lot of people are getting away with it but it is becoming harder and harder to believe in the right thing even for myself.
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    So its clear. This has nothing to do with Texas or its budgets or its universities. This is about you being mad at illegals for crossing into this country without going through proper immigration channels.

    The reality is that Latin Americans sneak into the US because

    a) Their countries are poorer and for many people their economic opportunities are limited.

    b) We have a demand for low wage labor

    c) We have a ****ty immigration system.

    If the US bordered China or India for example, I guarantee you that we'd have Indian and Chinese illegals instead of Mexican ones. There's nothing unique about you or your heritage that somehow gives you moral superiority. It's just that Asians don't border the US so its not economically viable to sneak into the US for low wage jobs.

    You and your relatives used the legal channels because you had to. My parents did the same. My father waited 3 years for a visa to get his masters here AFTER getting admission with a full scholarship and assistantship. He's as American as the rest of us yet he was literally a month away from giving up on the US because of our awful system that doesn't properly process people.

    We still have an immigration system built on outdated quotas and arbitrary geographical distinctions. We haven't had meaningful immigration reform since LBJ was president and you wonder why we have illegal immgiration.

    How about instead of crying about illegal immigrants, you fight to make the system work again. Our country was built on immigration (and a lot of illegal immigration while we're at it). There is an economic demand for low wage labor. Look at Georgia and Alabama which both recently put in immigration verification requirements for employment. Their farms have rotting crops because they can't find labor.

    We are one of the last developed nations without a guest worker program. Our immigration system actually create incentives to not leave the US once you illegally enter since you sneaking across the border twice just isn't worth the effort.

    This short-sighted turning red in the face anger isn't going to change anything or solve the root causes of illegal immigration.

    I'm all for securing the border and stopping illegal immigration but that means you have to expand legal immigration in conjunction. You need to create larger quotas for high skill H1-B types and guest worker programs for low wage labor. There's a reason why most developed countries have guest worker programs. There is a chronic demand and as a country develops, locals won't do that work.
     
  3. Ender00

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    I will admit that the main reason i am upset is because my family has to go through proper channel to get here, and because we do believe in the right thing. It is like you study all night for a test and you get an A but you know the other person cheated and still get an A but the catch is the teacher know about it and doesn't do anything. But what i don't agree with you is that my other relatives does not have to follow the rule but we choose to. We are not dirt poor we are all college educated and can easily afford a plane ticket to come over here and "OVER STAY OUR VISA" but they choose not to because it is not the right thing to do. They choose to apply through a proper channel and some of them didn't get a chance to come over here because it took them over 20+ years to get all the proper paper and by they time that happen they are too old to want to go to a new culture and start over.

    I am trying my best to fix the system, i vote for the people that i think will represent my view but both parties seem to try to screw the middle class american. I dont want the different between legal and illegal to be the right to vote and for most politicians are cater to the illegal. I can say that i have seen more of the world than most people on this board and i have never seen a country where they carter so much to the illegal.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I'm not sure what the problem is then. The state's residents pay a subsidized tuition and nonresidents pay full fare. That's the rule, and it seems to be systematically applied. You want to take some irrelevant criterion that is favorable to your family but not in the interests of the state and say it should be the rule. If your cousin wants the subsidy too, he should attend a state school in his own state.
     
  5. SeabrookMiglla

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    immigration/drug war= side effects of NAFTA

    the things that you dont hear about in NAFTA between the US and Mexico is this: pretty much among other things NAFTA sought to give jobs to mexico to stop immigration. in particular a swap was arranged we would give mexico kind of skilled jobs such assembling cell phone chips in factories or computers or what have you for American high tech companies for CHEAP. in exchange the US would provide mexico with cheap agricultural products since we have the means to more efficiently produce crops cheaper and faster.

    although NAFTA did help high tech industries in mexico- fundamental side effects are evident: mainly a sharp rise in illegal immigration to the US and the exploding violent Drug war.

    how does this correlate with NAFTA ?(that i was taught in economics 101 was supposed to increase & encourage trade in north America and spur job growth in northern mexico?)

    Well policy makers did not take one fundamental fact of mexican society into account... mexico has been and still has a significant portion of its population living in rural communities. these small towns in the north are not much different from ours, they are farming communities. Now with mexico not buying MEXICAN corn, they are buying it from Americans at a much cheaper cost to feed an increasingly growing population which has drastically risen the past century actually 3 fold. BUT this has shut down these small farming town's and effected the amount of jobs in those small communities, which is why we are seeing a flood of mexicans into major cities- they cannot farm anymore, or they cannot open up shops anymore since there small towns are shut down. they have to go look for work in large cities at these factories, but there simply arent enough jobs there. so they come looking for work else where namely here in the good ol USA.

    now the drug war, where does this fit in?

    since mexican farmers are not growing corn, they are growing a green substance which can be smoked and has actually proven to be much more profitable than the corn they once sold. voluntarily or un-voluntarily, in some cases the cartels will force them to grow it. this also seeps into, people seeking employment through the cartels as security or what have you etc..

    although this is a fraction of the major problems mexico faces, corruption, education, lack of infrastructure...the list goes on, people come here for a better life just as everyone ancestors did (unless you were forced to come here) and we intentionally/unintentionally gave disease to north and south america which virtually wiped out there entire populations. the context changes, when we forcibly take lands from others (american south west) through conquest its "american expansion" but when people who are brown come into "our" land its illegal immigration.

    in all, denying entry to students who seek an education is not the way to go about fixing immigration or our economy. we need as many jobs as we can get and most illegal immigrants pay taxes.
     

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