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[Future of America] The Hispanic Problem

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Sep 29, 2011.

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Should children of illegal immigrants

  1. Qualify for Texas university in-state tuition rates

    45.8%
  2. Treated like any other low income group in terms of educational inequity

    27.1%
  3. Deported

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  1. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

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    Hispanic???
     
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  2. glynch

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    Open the borders. North American Union. Problem solved. Mexico would have to start paying higher wages. More Americans would move down for cheap retirement, sunshine.

    You would destroy the elite's abioity to use the border to screw folks on both sides of the border.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Now you are talking, and we can stop that silly drug war too.

    DD
     
  4. glynch

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    I think so.

    I have my eyes on a cheap condo overlooking Acapulco Bay?:)
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Just think how good team USA will be in soccer too?

    You combine these two countries and we can finally compete.

    DD
     
  6. Johndoe804

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    ... Pretty much.
     
  7. Dubious

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    Excellent choice sir! I'll have all the blood cleaned up by Friday and you can move right in.
     
  8. conquistador#11

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    orale carnal,
    just get better teachers ese. You got to stand and deliver.
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    Guidos and Micks were able to interbreed with WASPs, especially during the Depression when everyone was poor and people started marrying based on who they ****ed, and ****ing based on how people looked. Then they used what they learned in WWII about banning together against a common enemy to keep Cinqué & Co. at bay while corporate America, the suburbs and higher education were being built.
     
  10. Ender00

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    i am starting to see a trend here in america, if you can get away with something illegal long enough, it will becomes legal.

    My cousins, who is not from here, has been paying out of state tuition for his college education, how do i get him to qualify to be an illegal? Because clearly doing things the right way is for sucker.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    In state residence is not the same thing as entering the US legally. The Constitution specifically says that border issues are a matter for the Federal government, state residency is a matter for the states.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    I imagine a nation full of

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  13. SWTsig

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    may god have mercy on us all.
     
  14. geeimsobored

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    First of all (assuming you're refering to Texas) your cousins don't pay taxes to the state government here. Illegals on the other hand pay property taxes and pay sales taxes. (the two main forms of revenue here) They absolutely are more entitled to in-state tuition than your cousins. They pay taxes here and your cousins don't.
     
  15. Ender00

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    I understand that he does not pay taxes to the state of texas but he does apply to come here legally and you are excluding him because he didnt pay in to pot? it is like saying you don't need a driver license but as long as your pay your vehicle registration fee you can drive a car.

    Anyway it doesn't matter, i got this idea in my head and i think it is pretty mess up. I have never know a time when not being a citizen of a country you live in will get your more benefit than being a citizen.

    So i have this idea that if you were born and raise in texas and if you renounce your citizenship can you apply for the money from dream act? It will work out quite nicely, your parent still could claim you on their tax but you will also be getting money from the dream act and once you finish with your degree you can just reapply for your citizenship again and they really can't deny you the citizenship since you will be fitting all the criteria for being a citizen.The government can't really deport you since you were born here and you can get your citizenship again after you graduated just like what the government wanted for all the illegals who goes to college.

    There has never been a time where people want to renounce their citizenship since in most country it will reduce your rights but it does not seem to be the case for the united state of America.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    He's not excluded. He just doesn't get in-state tuition. When you compare the illegal immigrant and your cousin which one paid taxes. People complain that illegals are leeching off of the state but in your scenario your cousin is the leech if he gets in-state tuition.

    Also how does your analogy make any sense. The whole point of in-state tuition is to ensure that state subsidies for education only apply to those that contributed to those subsidies. Guess who contributed? The illegal immigrant that paid sales taxes and property taxes.

    First of all the dream act here only applies to children who were brought here. They didnt have a choice and didn't "mess up" They were brought here by their parents and had no say in the decision.

    And no as a tax payer I dont want to subsidize your cousin who paid zilch to our government that is already running deficits. I however will support the person who is a law abiding taxpayer. (yeah that's right the illegal is a law abiding taxpayer in this scenario)

    Doesn't work like that. The rule is, if you pay taxes to the state of Texas then you get in-state tuition. Renouncing your citizenship and living outside of Texas doesn't make a difference. Also you can't renounce American citizenship and then reapply.

    Are you really being this dense? Your cousins DO NOT get in-state tuition until they start becoming taxpayers in Texas. You are literally making **** up just out of some mis-applied anger towards illegals. The bill makes perfect sense.

    If you pay the state you get benefits from the state. Your cousins didn't, the illegals here do. I and other Texans have no interest in rewarding them.
     
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  17. Ender00

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    then why should the people who were born in the state of texas and been paying taxes all their life not qualify for the money from the dream act? Is it not their dream to go to college, and just because your parent bought you here as a baby does not exclude you from their sin.

    I know the concept that the children has to pay for the sin of the parents is not new in the west, look at the original sin. It is this kind of mentality that will break down the society, in the east people don't COMMIT crime because it will bring SHAME to the family and everybody in the familly will suffer. This actually deter a lot of people from committing crime since they know that it is not them that will suffer but their children and all of their relatives.

    I know its not the child fault but if we punish the child maybe the parents will think twice before breaking the laws. We are to the point where we can no longer support everybody, I don't know about you but my tax is super high and i do not want to get tax any more. The money for the dream act should be given to the people who are a citizen of the state they live in and no way just because you go to college should you get your citizenship before people who waited 20-30 years for their chances to come here.
     
  18. Ender00

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    I really don't care how much money you pay in to the system, if you are not the citizen you don;t get squat. I am sorry but i am a little piss off since i just read that Texas is also one of the state that has the dream act like the stupid California
     
  19. Kojirou

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    Uh, if I'm correct, the illegals under the DREAM don't get special privileges - they just get the same ones as legal in-state residents, as they pay many of the taxes of those residents.

    That's religion. Not politics. And you just described one way in which Christianity is stupid, thank you very much.

    You said "from the east", so I'm guessing you're Chinese, whose culture I really don't know. I know Japan has that sentiment..... and at the end of the day, it's one of the reasons that I really have loyalty to that country, I think that Japanese society is seriously screwed up in ways Westerners just cannot comprehend. Not to mention, I know the North Koreans are very big on the whole "if you catch those who do not worship the Leader, kill their whole family" thing. It's not part of the values of the West, and I'm grateful for that.
     
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    I also forgot to mention that while I'm not certain about it, I'm pretty sure the Constitution explicitly states "you can't punish the descendants of criminals just for being the descendants of criminals." So, well, it's completely and totally illegal.
     

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