True, but all the attention Cain is getting now will defintiely help with his campaign. In any case if he can definitely be an attractive VP candidate.
Everybody that has run for president (in my adult lifetime) has serious flaws that get exposed. The scary thing about Cain is he hasn't been in the spotlight enough for things to come out. Looks like that is changing. I guarantee there are things he's done/said/written that can be exploited and used against him. Because of his inexperience, he will make more than his share of gaffes going forward. Not having a deep political background can be helpful this go-round because a candidate can frame himself (or herself) any way they want. But Cain has ZERO elective experience. That is a negative. I don't know enough about Cain to comment on his flaws. Him being black and vying for the nomination will bite him eventually. If Romney ever feels truly threatened later in the game, his people will figure out how to make race an issue (to their advantage). People, in general, Republicans don't like late-comers that haven't paid their dues. Tea Partiers are the exception but they don't control this process.
No it wont. Dont confuse the two. Obama's 2008 campaign was a thing of beauty when it comes to organization. No campaign has ever come close to replicating that level of state by state organization. They flat out revolutionized grassroots organizing. Everything from getting out on new media, voter registration, data analysis and microtargeting, etc.. were all advanced under Obama's campaign. It's hard to describe without going into way too much detail but bottom line as someone who worked as a data analyst with political campaigns over the last two years I can say with certainty that Obama's campaign was and still is unparalleled. And the smartest thing he did was keeping it alive even after getting elected. OFA was kept around as some weird nebulous grassroots organization but the benefit is that he now has a huge pool of volunteers sitting at his doorstep already. All of the state offices in all 50 states are set up now and they already have the prime positions hired. For the most part their higher level field staff is already set up. No other campaign in the country is remotely close to that. The guy has been a mediocre president but man does he run an amazing campaign.
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Good, because I believe Obama would dominate him in a debate, same with Perry. It's Romney that worries me, so smooth, so glib, he can beat Obama, and the last thing America needs is another neo-con in the White House.
that's because he understands organization, and that's why i won't him as president again. i don't agree with everything he's done, but i believe he has effectively dealt with the opposition as best he can. i believe his domestic policy would be as successful as his foreign policy if he had more freedom (recent terrorist killed argument aside). people think campaigns don't matter, but what the show is that you are an effective administrator. politics/values aside, are you an effective administrator of people. i think as much as people have been critical of obama, i think he still has proven to be one. sorry for tangent
Top 10 Things Herman Cain Doesn’t Want You To Know About Him ThinkProgress has put together the top 10 hits from Cain’s presidential bid: (1) PLEDGED THAT HE “WILL NOT” APPOINT MUSLIMS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION: In an interview with ThinkProgress earlier this year, Herman Cain declared that he “will not” appoint a Muslim in his administration if he were elected president. In the months that followed, Cain qualified his position a number of times – at one point even telling Glenn Beck that he would appoint Muslims but only on the condition that they take a special loyalty oath – before finally recanting this unconstitutional stance and issuing an apology to Muslim-Americans. Unfortunately, since that time Cain has continued to peddle the ridiculous notion that Sharia law is a threat to the American legal system. (2) TOLD THINKPROGRESS, “I DON’T THINK THE CURRENT MINIMUM WAGE IS NECESSARY”: During his time as the top lobbyist for the restaurant and fast food industry, Cain fought against an increase in the minimum wage. During a recent ThinkProgress interview, Cain went further, saying “I don’t think the current minimum wage is necessary.” As Greg Sargent noted, not even conservative icon Barry Goldwater supported eliminating the minimum wage. (3) CONFUSED BY BASIC CONCEPT OF ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE PROCESS: In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Cain was asked his opinion on the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Cain was clearly confused by the question, responding, “The right of return? [pause] The right of return?” When host Chris Wallace explained the issue to him, Cain suggested that Israel wouldn’t have a problem “with people returning,” a prospect Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu fiercely opposes. The incident was not the first time Cain displayed lack of familiarity with international affairs. Previously, Cain said he doesn’t know enough to say what he thinks about the war in Afghanistan. (4) IMMIGRATION PLAN INVOLVES A “GREAT WALL OF CHINA” AND A “MOAT [WITH] ALLIGATORS”: In a speech to Iowa Republicans, Cain called for building a fence along the entire U.S.–Mexico border, comparing the effort to the Great Wall of China. Building a fence along the nearly 2,000-mile border not only wouldn’t work, it would cost the U.S. hundreds of billions of dollars in the process. Cain also suggested building a moat next to the fence and filling it with alligators. (5) BELIEVES “WE ALREADY RECOGNIZE” THE GOVERNMENT OF TAIWAN: Discussing U.S.-Chinese relations with ThinkProgress, Cain confirmed fears that he lacked a firm grasp on foreign policy matters when he declared that “we already recognize” the government of Taiwan. In fact, the United States stopped recognizing Taiwan in 1979. Cain, visibly confused about relations between the U.S, China, and Taiwan, refused to say whether this belief meant he planned to send an ambassador to Taiwan, saying instead, “President Cain will get back to you!” Lest the matter seem trivial, Chinese-Taiwanese relations are extraordinarily tense and the matter of diplomatic relations with the United States carries enormous implications for the billions of people living in southeast Asia. (6) WANTS TO PUT DIRTY ENERGY CEOS IN CHARGE OF EPA REGULATIONS: After an Iowa voter asked about increasing domestic oil production, Cain proposed creating a commission consisting of businessmen from the coal, oil, shale oil, and natural gas industries to gut environmental protections. Cain even said he would appoint the CEO of Shell, claiming the company had been “abused” by the EPA. Cain has close ties to several top oil executives. (7) BELIEVES IRAQ SHOULD PAY U.S. BACK FOR INVADING THEIR COUNTRY: Cain suggested in a 2008 interview that Iraq should pay the United States back for invading and occupying their country. Even Rick Santorum, who nobody would confuse as a moderate, strongly disagreed with this idea, saying, “I think that would send every possible wrong signal.” Since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died and millions have been displaced. (8) TRIED TO HIDE HIS GAY TREASURER: A former staffer to Cain, Kevin Hall, testified in court that Cain attempted to cover up the involvement of his openly gay PAC treasurer Scott Toomey. According to Hall, the campaign was trying to cover up Toomey’s involvement due to his sexuality. Cain’s lawyers declined to dispute the allegations. (9) SAYS HE WOULD SUPPORT A NATIONAL PHOTO ID LAW: With an increasing number of conservative governors implement new requirements for voters to present photo identification at the polls, Cain told ThinkProgress he’d support such a bill on a federal level. “If you need a picture to get on an airplane, why shouldn’t you need one in order to be able to vote?” Cain asked. To be clear, voting is not like getting on an airplane – only one is the basis of our very democracy – and requirements that citizens present photo IDs instead of other forms of identification has the potential to disenfranchise millions of voters, especially minorities and poorer individuals. (10) BELIEVES THAT AMERICANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BAN MOSQUES: During a Fox News Sunday interview, Cain professed his belief that if a community wants to ban a mosque, “they have a right to do that.” Rather than idle banter, Cain’s comments came fresh off his speech blasting the proposed expansion of an existing Islamic center in Murfreesboro, Tennessee because it was, in the former pizza executive’s estimation, “not an innocent mosque.” Cain’s view is squarely at odds with not only the Constitution, but basic precepts of tolerance and diversity as well.
and the fact that these things are showing up, like top ten reasons why he won't win shows he's a contender. lawrence odonnell interviewed him last night and was very rude. odonnell was criticizing him for not being a part of the civil rights movement. he was a college student in atlanta in 63-67 and odonnell criticized him for not being involved. odonnell also criticized him for not volunteering for vietnam. something he was totally over the line for, cain said he made himself available for the draft and lawrence still criticized him i'm moderate, i'm not voting for cain, but the display was appalling. here's the video, i don't know where the civil rights/vietnam part is, i watched the show last night. <object width="420" height="245" id="msnbc77a98b" classid="clsid27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=10,0,0,0"><param name="movie" value="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640" /><param name="FlashVars" value="launch=44810320&width=420&height=245" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><embed name="msnbc77a98b" src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640" width="420" height="245" FlashVars="launch=44810320&width=420&height=245" allowscriptaccess="always" allowFullScreen="true" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"></embed></object><p style="font-size:11px; font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #999; margin-top: 5px; background: transparent; text-align: center; width: 420px;">Visit msnbc.com for <a style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com">breaking news</a>, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507" style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;">world news</a>, and <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072" style="text-decoration:none !important; border-bottom: 1px dotted #999 !important; font-weight:normal !important; height: 13px; color:#5799DB !important;">news about the economy</a></p>
I'm guessing he wouldn't and he would put him in the same boat as Perry. As a nutty white Republican. But that's okay we all vote/support candiates for different reasons. If skin color is what got pgabs interested in Cain at least it allows him to hear his message. From a business perspective Cain definitely seems very well spoken and seems like he knows his stuff. It will be interesting in the coming months to see how he handles foreign policy and social issues.
actually, i'm not supporting cain, i just think he is what they say they want. a pro business social conservative. even though you have been a jerk about my race related posts in the past (which is why you are probably friends with mr. meowgi in real life) i'm going to answer you further. i was interested in cain's 9-9-9 plain. then he won the florida straw poll. so that is why i started a thread on him being a serious contending. i don't know if the 9-9-9 is viable, but i do think we need to simplify the tax code
