http://news.yahoo.com/poll-cain-surges-opens-20-point-lead-romney-132015440.html At least according to one poll... Really astonishing news. Flavor of the Week just went viral.
Zogby is as bad if not worse than Rasmussen. Absolute trash of a poll. High schoolers who are taking statistics would laugh at how stupid their sampling methods are.
But it's more fun this way. I want to live in a world where Herb Cain has a 20 point lead not boring world in which he is merely competitive.
WOW! The dead former longtime columnist for the SF Chronicle has not only come back from the dead but is winning the Republican primary! I would've figured the Republicans would've reanimated Ronald Reagan instead of Herb Cain.
This will help Cain sell a few more books short term, but all it means is his eventual tumble will hurt that much more. It won't be a graceful fall from that high up. Now the front-runner's magnifying glass will burn a hole and puncture him. If he somehow doesn't flame out too badly, maybe Romney will choose him as a running mate.
you're making a mistake if you think cain can't sustain. these people don't want perry, he's an idiot. and i truly believe that they didn't understand how much of an idiot he was till their debates. they don't want romney, we've seen this act. no one else is getting in the race, there's no time. they're not voting for bachmann. cain may not win but he is a contender.
pgabs, when a few key GOP senators and congressman line up behind Herman Cain, I'll believe he might be legit. When we hear about his fundraising being on par with Romney and Perry, I will definitely take him seriously. Until then, he's just a flash in the pan. He's no different than Palin or Bachmann other than being much more intelligent, learned and coherent. But he hasn't been vetted. If this poll is legit and he is really the runaway poll leader, his life and background are about to go under the microscope. He's going to be asked very tough questions about things he's done/said over the years and better have good answers. His relatively free ride is over. I give it 4 weeks at the most before Cain is deflated. Romney is breathing a sigh of relief because Perry continues to struggle. But Perry raised enough money to stay relevant for a long while.
but you take romney seriously? the mormon whom we know the party doesn't like? because of what, financing?
To clarify, my definition of "take seriously" refers to a candidate's chance of winning the nomination. Romney has held public office before and run other campaigns. He's a known, vetted quantity within the GOP. He has major funding and will gain more as people come off the fence now that Christie is definitely out. He has serious flaws that hurt him with segments of Republicans, but he still keeps motoring on. None of these flaws have killed him yet. The guy just won't go away. Bottom line (to your point): The reason Romney will take it is because all of the other candidates have bigger flaws.
So what exactly are Cain's flaws and how/when do you think they will be exposed? The Perry story was simple: Perry looked extremely formidable, even inevitable, until people get to hear him at the debates. The flaw is he sounds dumb and incoherent. Now, I don't really know a whole lot about Cain, but is his major flaw his lack of political experience? In the age of Tea Party it would seem to be a positive. Now, what turned me off the most about him is his Islamophobia. But again, this probably isn't a disqualifying factor in the Republican primary.
Cain is definitely a contender. It's almost like when everyone shrugged off Obama and declared Hilary the clear winner. But people didnt like Shirillary and thought she was fake and phony. It's similar to what is happening with the GOP. People just don't like Perry and Romney is seen as being fake. Cain is defintiely a contender and I'm pretty excited. He definitely debates and communicates and seems way smarter than Perry. The new two man race might be between Romney vs Cain. Don't see Perry lasting in the polls much longer.
Cain/Romney 2012 or Romney/Cain 2012!!! One thing going for them is you can't deny their business experience.
If true, Caine can get the $$$ millions from the Kochs' and their buds, he will be a player. I read his website. Pure Koch Bros./libertarian/conservative economic non-sense. Does Karl Rove and his slush fund, that is supposedly raising $250 million, support Romney? If they switch to Caine, he can win. Caine might also be a billionaire himself or at least have a few hundred million to burn. I think Romney might be a billinaire. It is a good time to be in the TV ad business. Obama has a billion to spend on the campaign. The first truly Citizen's United election. A libertarian democracy wet dream!!! Screw one person; one vote. Stream line it. Just have a website where you can donate for your candidate. The money can be tallied. Whoever has the most wins. Apply the money to the national debt. Why give it all to big media and ad agencies?
From the very beginning in 2008, Obama was the non-Hillary candidate. His competition for that label was John Edwards. Even when he was lagging in the polls in the spring and summer months, his fundraising was stellar. In fact it far exceeded what Obama's poll numbers suggested it should. Then late in the year Hillary had a gaffe before the Iowa caucuses and Obama (who was closing the gap anyway) pulled even. The rest is history. Obama's cash haul allowed him to set up a national and state-by-state organization that put Hillary's to shame (we found out later). Cain's campaign is nothing like that. There is very little similarity IMO. Another huge difference is that Hillary was the 800-pound gorilla in 2008. Romney is a paperweight (of a candidate) compared to her. Cain has a smaller obstacle to overcome, but Obama's campaign in 2008 puts his to shame. My understanding is Cain doesn't have much of an infrastructure on a state-to-state basis. Obama had a grassroots juggernaut that took down the giant. If serious money starts lining up behind Cain, I'll change my mind. Otherwise, he has no chance.
