I think you had Schaub at like 7ish in your rankings this season, which isn't too far off from 4. Don't get me wrong, I drafted Rodgers before any QB was off the board last season. Just like I did with Brees 2 seasons ago. Schaub has also been a fantasy steal for the most part. The question with Rodgers was if the defense could get the job done. We all saw that epic playoff game where GB got destroyed by Warner. I think most people were thinking along the same lines with the Texans coming into this season. Elite offense but is the D gonna get the job done.
I don't believe there's such a thing as clutch; but, he's been pretty near-great consistently when this team has needed him to be. Over a two-year span, which covers 17 losses, you have 7 that came down to Schaub putting his team in position to change the outcome late in the 4Q (often as the 4Q was expiring)... and his teammates failed. All 7 times. That's truly remarkable. He's shown a bit of a propensity for clinching against better opponents - he doesn't really have a mistake-free, "yowzer!!"-like game+win against an elite team - but... he can change my perception of that quickly this year because I suspect they'll have a ton of meaningful games from here on out. I hate the debate over his eliteness. Very few QBs are Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers. But to be among the next tier is pretty doggone impressive and more than enough for this team to win. He's absolutely there.
How many spots does Schaub move up if we make a deep run in the playoffs? He would still be 5 at best. Take basketball for example. There are more than 5 elite point guards.
And Tony Parker isn't as elite as Paul, D Will, Rose, Nash or Westbrook. Yet it's hard to argue he hasn't been an elite PG (winning a Finals MVP).
I don't know much about Schaub's time in Atlanta, but I do know that it's significantly more difficult to supplant a young Mike Vick than an old Jake Delhomme...
Whoah. Slow down. I'd put Schaub on Rivers' level. Phillips' not on Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers' level, though. (IMO)
No it's not. He's a very good PG who played phenomenal in the finals that year, but doesn't break the elite threshold....just like Schaub.
debatable...even though i'm not a huge fan of Rivers i don't think many teams would select Schaub over Rivers.
I don't think any would, not even ours. I'm very worried that we lost Dre with Matt as our QB. I would have more faith in Rivers to make things happen no matter who was catching the ball if he were back there. Plus I don't think he has ever missed a game. Matt is a slightly above average QB. I still think he's a mental midget in the clutch (Romo like but not as bad), but hopefully he can change that.
The people who think Matt is good in crunch time have provided evidence, can you provide any for this claim? It seems to be a one-way argument.
A very good PG that has been an all-star 3 times since 05-06, won a Finals MVP, and was third team All-NBA the season before last. Sounds like an elite PG. Just not as elite as the PG's I listed.
I'm late to the thread so I missed the evidence of him being good in the clutch against good teams. As far as evidence, look no further than the last game. Did he close that game well to you? We sat on a 7 point lead for a while and weren't doing anything offensively. We scored because of a fluke play. Did you have faith that he would march us down the field? I didn't. I'll go through the thread later to look at the examples.
You guys do realize that you are arguing about semantics. One man's definition of "Elite" Could be higher than another mans. Not everyone has the same criteria, clearly DMagic has a much higher threshold for eliteness...than Sammy. DD
Donny and I both put on our nerd hats and identified 18 games since 2007 in which the situation warranted "close and late" and found Schaub played exceedingly well in all but 5 of those games. I think people have a wildly unrealistic grasp of reality. First of all, no QB - even Tom Terrific and Mr. Rocket Arm - turn in elite performances every week. Schaub played efficiently Sunday and was, at times, very good, including leading a pretty remarkable 19-play drive that more or less demoralized the Steelers to open the game. He converted two 3rd downs and overcame two huge penalties to go 5/7 for 52 yards and a TD on the drive. He finished with a 100.9 rating with no turnovers or sacks. Secondly, what was the fluke play? Foster's 42-yard run? Yeah, he never does that. And what set-up that "fluke" play? A 30-yard completion, which came on the heels of a huge 3rd down conversion - both from the arm of Matthew Schaub. Since he's done it repeatedly - and I mean *A LOT* - yes, if Pittsburgh had tied the game and time warranted, I would have had faith Schaub would have put us in position to win. He has done it sooooooooo many times, it's silly to have any other opinion.
Says the man that thought AB was elite or at least in his top ten. And has also gone at bat to a point of no return for greats such as VY, Wafer, Maggette, etc etc
This is very true. Let's just say that there is a short list of QB's that I trust to march us down the field for a score when the game is on the line, or not to make some boneheaded decision to cost us a game. Matt is not one of those QB's. Doesn't mean he sucks, but he surely isn't elite and at the end of close games I have more feelings of fear than confidence. I think that's fair to say.
Can you please direct me to the list so I can look at it? So you are saying at the end of close games you have more faith than fear in Matt?
