Military industrial complex- making money on both sides of the border, mexican drug cartels need guns which makes our police/ border patrol need more guns and the mexican police need more guns too and the mexican military needs more guns too and mexican and US civilians along the border need more guns too. This is what they mean when they say the drug war is bs, its the MIC making mass profitts off of drug related crimes. Not only that, someone has to build tue prisons to lock up the druggies right?
3 more F&F murders. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/...rious-linked-to-three-more-murders-in-mexico/
yeah, the mexican cartels actually used the guns they purchased? seriously what is the complaint, that these guys weren't arrested immediately, the gov't is trying to get a grip on guns going to mexico. they tried to make a large case, if they bust the first few customers and shops, then word spreads and the gun dealers and cartels find another way to make their transactions
more effective than what? If you are so knowledgeable on guns then wouldn't it be common sense to realize that a fully automatic rifle will more likely have larger magazines than can carry thirty rounds at a time thus giving the ability to suppress more and having fewer magazine changes... At the end of the day your "expertise" on guns doesn't change the fact that a gun no matter what caliber is dangerous. For the life of me I don't know how people pick up guns as a "hobby". I had to deal with them for 4 years. They are not meant to be treated as toys as MOST grown adult gun lovers in the US treat them as. Most of the people I see buying weapons here do not buy them for "protection". They buy them because they like the power. That is it.
The entire BATFE needs to be dismantled. They think they ARE the law. They write opinion letters that are basically used to prosecute people. They are way to powerful and have their own assault force. They are completely out of control.
See the thing is, that nothing motivates a country or people like a group effort. Mexico needs to become the USA South... DD
****s getting realer... -- A 'Furious' revelation By MICHAEL A. WALSH Last Updated: 5:10 AM, September 29, 2011 Posted: 10:24 PM, September 28, 2011 This just might be the smoking gun we’ve been waiting for to break the festering “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal wide open: the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apparently ordered one of its own agents to purchase firearms with taxpayer money, and sell them directly to a Mexican drug cartel. Let that sink in: After months of pretending that “Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys. Agent John Dodson was ordered to buy four Draco pistols for cash and even got a letter from his supervisor, David Voth, authorizing a federally licensed gun dealer to sell him the guns without bothering about the necessary paperwork. “Please accept this letter in lieu of completing an ATF Form 4473 for the purchase of four (4) CAI, Model Draco, 7.62x39 mm pistols, by Special Agent John Dodson,” read the June 1, 2010, letter. “These aforementioned pistols will be used by Special Agent Dodson in furtherance of performance of his official duties.” On orders, Dodson then sold the guns to known criminals, who first stashed them away and then -- deliberately unhindered by the ATF or any other agency -- whisked them off to Mexico. People were killed with Fast and Furious weapons, including at least two American agents and hundreds of Mexicans. And the taxpayers picked up the bill. So where’s the outrage? There’s none from the feds. Attorney General Eric Holder has consistently stonewalled Rep. Darrell Issa, Sen. Chuck Grassley and other congressional investigators. In a constantly evolving set of lies, Holder has denied knowing anything about Fast and Furious while at the same time withholding documents from the House and Senate committees looking into the mess while muzzling some witnesses and transferring others. Justice calls the allegations about Dodson’s operation “false.” But Grassley says that’s “a lie,” as he told Greta van Susteren the other day. “The ATF ordered this ATF agent to purchase these guns and in turn sell them, and supposedly track them,” he said. “But he was a lone wolf in the operation -- they wouldn’t give him any help for 24-hour surveillance.” So now the wheels have come off the official explanation for Fast and Furious. Of course, that explanation never made much sense in the first place. For one thing, the ATF had no authority to track the guns once they were in Mexico; for another, nobody bothered to inform the Mexicans of this intrusion on their national sovereignty. Further, we now know that a host of federal agencies (including the ATF, the FBI and IRS, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Drug Enforcement Administration and, very probably, top officials at the Department of Homeland Security) were all in the loop at various levels, as was the White House. So calling “Fast and Furious” a cockamamie operation gone wrong just isn’t going to cut it anymore. There are two possible explanations. The first is that the anti-gun Obama administration deliberately wanted American guns planted in Mexico in order to demonize American firearms dealers and gun owners. The operation was manufacturing “evidence” for the president’s false claim that we’re to blame for the appalling levels of Mexican drug-war violence. If this is true, then Holder & Co. have got to go -- and the trail needs to be followed no matter where it leads. For the federal government to seek to frame its own citizens is unconscionable. A second notion is that the CIA was behind the whole thing, which accounts for all the desperate wagon-circling. Under this theory, the Agency feared the los Zetas drug cartel was becoming too powerful and might even mount a coup against the Mexican government. So some 2,000 weapons costing more than $1.25 million were deliberately channeled to the rival Sinaloa cartel, which operates along the American border, to keep the Zetas in check. Of course, there’s a third explanation -- that both scenarios are true, and that those in charge of Fast and Furious saw an opportunity to shoot two birds with one Romanian-made AK Draco pistol. Time for a special prosecutor, who’s both fast and furious. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio...velation_OhK6TBqPlEpRglHjsSbiBI#ixzz1ZN524mS1
How is this a revelation when I posted articles that said the same thing almost 3 months ago? I thought everybody knew that this is what happened.
of course there's a fourth senario, that the government was actually trying to stop illegal gun purchases by cartels from us gun shops, a problem well documented before the obama administration took over
Nahh, I'm pretty sure "elaborate-DOJ-Obama-CIA-Drug cartels conspiracy theory" is the most likely outcome here.
my favorite is that obama did this to trump up gun control support. has obama mentioned gun control since his inauguration?
No - he is under express orders from the Muslim Illuminati to not mention it publicly; privately I hear he mentions it all the time when meeting with the Thetan overlords, at least that's what Breitbart said.
Breitbart heard it from the NRA. http://mediamatters.org/research/201109290007 <object width='320' height='240'><param name='movie' value='http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/flash/pl55.swf'></param><param name='flashvars' value='config=http://mediamatters.org/embed/cfg3?f=/static/clips/2011/09/26/20267/cpacfl-20110923-lapierre.flv'></param><param name='allowscriptaccess' value='always'></param><param name='allownetworking' value='all'></param><embed src='http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/flash/pl55.swf' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' flashvars='config=http://mediamatters.org/embed/cfg3?f=/static/clips/2011/09/26/20267/cpacfl-20110923-lapierre.flv' allowscriptaccess='always' allowfullscreen='true' width='320' height='240'></embed></object>
