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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rockbox, Sep 25, 2011.

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  1. heypartner

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    huh?

    doesn't matter how you slice it, a vegan diet vs a red-meat diet reduces the chances of cancer and heart disease. There is no disputing that. I don't care if it is because of lifestock carrying fat-soluble toxins or just that our bodies aren't made for this much meat, but there is a lot of medical proof that reducing meat and increasing vegetables is good for you.

    you are not really disputing that, are you?
     
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  2. JayZ750

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    Not too be rude, as your weight loss over 6 months is a great achievement, but I wonder how much of your weight loss was due to the fact that you were definitely way overweight, and thus easier to lose, than gluten free being the definite way to go?? Are you eating the same portion sizes? Gluten free aside, same sugar and meat intakes? Or is the gluten free diet a change that has led to a more complete change in your diet.

    Your height and weight now are basically what I am. But I still feel overweight. Ideally I'd like to be 170 - 180.

    I'm guessing you are still gluten free, so will have to see if that weight keeps dropping for you. Like you, I get little exercise, mostly due to time constraints.

    On the whole, I agree with the everything in moderation approach. But I don't eat meats for a variety of reasons.
     
  3. BP0803

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    The 200 is just about right for me because I am naturally a big guy. I used to work out a lot. The gluten free has made a change in my overall diet. With the gluten free diet it basecally gets rid of most processed foods. Going gluten free basically forces you to have to add healthier alternatives into your daily diet to replace what you can no longer have. I have not had a piece of bread or a fried food in over 6 months. It also eliminates anything derived from flour so no more cookies, cakes, kolaches, fast food of any kind and I have to make all of my meals. To supplement the loss of these I added in vegetables to help round out my meals. Going gluten free is the best decision I have ever made in my life and wish others would do the same. You are what you eat and the better you look the better you feel.

    I think it's ok to eat meat, but of course to each his own. I just make more conscious decisions now like eating fish, 96% fat free ground beef, chicken, pork, and ground turkey. If you are against it then I feel you should absolutely not consume it, but personally I could never give it up.

    I try to find time to exercise, but being a single father does not always allow time for that. I think being young, 32, helps as well. The older you get the harder it is to drop the weight. It's just that society has become very lazy. I didn't know how to cook a single thing before going gluten free, but now I have learned to cook a lot of things and no longer rely on the frozen food section to have everything prepared for me. Cooking is actually ok once you get the hang of it.

    It is not fun watching everyone else eat pizza while you are eating fish or a salad, but in the long run it is very much worth it.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    I knew a vegan who ate a bunch of peanut butter and fried crap and he was fat as hell.
     
  5. heypartner

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    I wasn't responding to what makes people fat; I was talking about cancer.
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Yes, from an obesity standpoint, absolutely true. And like the poster above said, going gluten free means basically giving up the worthless carbs. Eliminate worthless carbs and sugar, mix in a few vegetables with your lean meat - and you'll be on your way to non-obesity. Whether that's "healthy" or not - I don't know, but at least you won't be a fat ****.
     
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    just a ate a nice juicy steak for dinner last night and a nice big fat hamburger for lunch.. YUMMMM
     
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    i tried going vegetarian once for about 3 months.....i just ended up eating cheese 6 times a day to make up for the lack of meat and always feeling hungry
     
  10. Nook

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    We agree 90%.... however, I never stated repetitive weight lifting or using gym equipment is good for you either. I personally believe that consistent activity and movement is what is actually "good for you", as it is more true to what our ancestors did.

    As for running 4 miles, no I do not think it is very good for your bones and joints, nor your endocrine system. In nature humans would not run 4 miles. We would be walking, sitting or running very short distances. This is coming from a former collegate cross country and track team captain and a former 2:17 marathon runner.
     
  11. Nook

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    Running 4 miles is not natural. Not in the least.... using your logic one can say "eating is natural, so I am going to consume 1,200 carbs a day."

    Completely different animals... your body is wired for short bursts of running.
     
  12. Nook

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    I will take a diet with a balance of lean game meat and unrefined fruits and vegetables over a purely vegan diet 100 out of 100 times. A vegan diet has it's own set of issues.

    My point is that meat gets a bad rap, the REAL problem is genetically modified food, refined foods and excessive carbohydrate consumption.

    Further, when it comes to diet, there have been very limited quality research done. The chief reason being the adherence to calories as a measuring stick. Further, diet is hard to investigate because there are so many factors that are not accounted for: stress, genetics, culture, etc. Causation and correlation need to be seperated.
     
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    Agree. There are studies showing sprinting is much better for you than long distance running. Compare a sprinters body to a marathon runner's body. Which one looks better? Which one looks more healthy?
     
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    Im not sure that's exactly what he's referring to. The studies show its better for fat loss, but fat loss is seen as "better" to us for not just health, but also aesthetics. We're actually not suppose to be ripped sprinters either, naturally anyway.

    You have to remember that a lot of what we've made isn't good for us. Chairs are seen as a way to give us rest, but the sitting position isn't healthy for the human body. You'd think driving to the next city is better for us, but technically walking over is better. It's just more convenient for our civilized lives to drive.

    As for the 4 mile daily run.....I see what nook is saying, but one must also take into consideration the poor physical condition a lot of people are in. It may not be natural to run the daily 4 miles, but the benefits of that (not being 300 pounds with heart disease) may outweigh the negative effects, so overall it may be good.
     
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    Maybe, although I don't believe that they are connected. Simply because someone does not run 4 miles a day does not mean they will weigh 300 lbs with heart disease.
     
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    Well it's not going to be true for every person, but for some it is. I just used that distance since that's what we're talking about. If people can't ,or wont, eat better and move around more consistently throughout the day, then running a specific amount per day may be necessary.
     
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    Actually, except for obese people and certain other exceptions, weight bearing exercise such as running is definitely good for your bones and running is good for your joints. Google it if you don't believe me. Although this is not new news, NPR did a story very recently.

    Wrong again. Humans have an endurance advantage over most mammals due to our superior ability to sweat to put it bluntly. Early humans ran down their prey. The Tarahumara Indians of Mexico's Copper Canyon still do it. Read "Born to Run" by Christopher McDougall.

    2:17 is incredibly impressive if true. Too bad you evidently gave up the sport. :p
     
  19. Nook

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    It is not "definitely" good, as there are studies that go both ways. I suspect that you are talking about a Stanford study from a few years ago. My opinion is that weight bearing exercise is good in moderation, and weight bearing does not have to be distance running, which is not natural IMO. Indeed, our nearest animal relatives are not distance runners. Walkers with ocassional bursts? Absolutely.

    Also, chronic shin splints, hip replacement, knee replacement and a variety of other ailments come from distance running. Further it causes adrenal failure.


    Ugh... the early human idea of distance running is a far cry from what the sport is now. Further, I can look at the existing tribes through out the world, and they WALK great distances, they do not typically run.. and certainly not every day. Further, in many cases the "hunters" are men, not women... so should women not run, but men should?

    There are large group of other concerns as well.
    http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2009/11/1/cardio-causes-heart-disease.html

    Yes I am proud of it and enjoyed it. I made agreat amount of sacrifice to train. I was however constantly fighting illness and injury. It took me a long time to realize it was bad for me.
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    How long ago did you run a 2 hour 17 minute marathon? That is a truly impressive time. That is 2 minutes faster than the time needed to run in the US Olympic qualifiers
     

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