Texx, what's your take on Baylor's chances of getting into the Big East or ACC once the Big 12 falls apart?
I have NO sympathy for Baylor. None. They turned their backs on the rest of the SWC and used their political strings to get them an undeserved spot in the Big XII. They've lived an undeserved "high life" of being in a power conference for the past 15 years. The truth of the matter is they're a second-rate academic institution and would be a second-rate athletic school, also, but recently they've benefited from being in the Big XII to improve their recruiting and sports results in recent years. They've also sold their soul in the process -- signing up guys like Carlton Dotson who killed teammate Pat Dennehy, and then-coach Dave Bliss tried to cover it up. Disgusting. Then Lace Dunn breaks his girlfriend's jaw and Baylor manages to sweep that under the rug as well. Give me a break. Baylor will end up in the Mountain West, at best, and C-USA at worst. Right where they belong. Why the hell would the Big East or the ACC want Baylor?
The Big East is a basketball conference and we have a shot to get in bc we ballin' baby. We're recruiting prime-time players like never before. Something that POS athletic dept at Rice couldn't do in their dreams. You're disgusting, brohem. You continue to bring up a terrible condition where a dude lost his life. We wouldn't expect anything from a second-rate troll as yourself. Lace paid the price for his mistake. He went from a potential first round pick to not being drafted at all. Man, I can't wait until Baylor rips Rice a new one in week 4 This is a reasonable post and it's easy to see why Baylor could be optimistic about getting into the Big East. A total of 3 top 5 picks in the 2012 and 2013 NBA drafts (Jones, Miller & Austin). 2012 is supposed to be one of the best drafts in a while.
What about my post on Baylor was wrong? I'll be the bigger man and ignore your insults. I expect Baylor to beat Rice in football this year. But, keep in mind you'll be right down on our level of athletics once the Big XII falls apart and you're stuck competing for C-USA talent. Don't fool yourself that Baylor will be able to get the RGIII's of the world without being in a power conference.
The MWC is our worst-case scenario. Let's see what happens. All I'm saying that it wouldn't be too far-fetched to see the Big East being down with Baylor.
RG3 committed to UH because of Briles, then switched his commitment when Briles went to Baylor. His recruitment had nothing to do with conferences.
ok fine -- maybe RGIII wasn't the best example, but Baylor typically gets better recruits solely because of being in the Big XII. They get mostly 3 stars with a couple 4 stars thrown in. C-USA schools get mostly 2 stars with some 3's thrown in.
Yep. Plus, a move to what I think is our worst-case scenario wouldn't change up recruiting too much. We're building our program around one 4 star recruit and the rest are 3 star recruits aside from Dixon. If you check rivals, you'll see that Baylor is ranked around #35 in recruiting for 2012 with 17 commits that are 3-star. No 4 or 5 stars. Does a move to the MWC hurt that? Possibly but not by that much. TCU did fine in the conference. Now, a move to the Big East might actually help our football program pull in better recruits. TCU helps our chances of getting in (second TX school) but who knows what's going to happen.
I'm not really sure why Baylor fans think their best non-BCS option is the MWC. That seems like a poor fit on a lot of levels. That is a 9 full member conference with 1 affiliate. No natural rivalries, geographical nightmare, and less cash.
What's the best fit? I just figured that TCU made some real noise in the conference and that Boise State is an ideal example of how a non-BCS program should be run.
What TCU did has zero relevance to Baylor's situation. What you want to emulate is their winning, the MWC is not some kind of magical guarantee of success. If you're a Baylor admin, you need to look at a few things. 1) Money; CUSA offers the most. It's turds compared to BCS money, but thems the breaks. 2) Academics; CUSA offers the best of what is left. Baylor fits in quite nicely with the private schools we have in tow. 3) Geography; CUSA offers the least amount of travel and most amount of local appeal. 4) Fan interest; I can't see the Baylor faithful giving a crap about playing New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming, etc. Meanwhile, you'll see at least marginal interest with Houston, Rice, SMU, UTEP, etc. 5) Conference feasibility; the MWC is currently 9 all sport members and 1 football only affiliate (hawai'i), in order to add Baylor, they would likely need to add a school from the WAC, which seems very unlikely (since the MWC just recently raided the WAC for 3 more schools). Meanwhile, CUSA could easily add Baylor to its West division and a school from the Sunbelt (FAU/FIU, Middle Tenn State, or my personal preference, Western Kentucky) for its East division to make an even 14.
That does make sense. I still think the Big East will come calling. Missouri to the SEC..maybe the Big 10. KU, KSU, and Baylor to the Big East. Iowa State might be the only one left out when it's all said and done. Hopefully, we'll find out soon but this might take freakin weeks.
Academics would be the biggest reason. All the Big10 schools are AAU members and they have a massive research partnership called the CIC, which is worth potentially multiple tens of millions per year to UT. Logistically, it would be a bit of a mess because Texas wouldn't be going with any other regional school so there would be no nearby rivals and it's all cold weather schools - so not much baseball, for example.
