[Eurobasket-2011] Donuts was cut from Lithuanian national team roster

One question. When are we going to get back to talking about Don Motie?

 

This is pointless really because no matter what you are going to think that Lebron would just be a role player in the NBA. You've seen him play so much in the NBA yet still say Euro defenders will back off of as if he's Rajon Rondo and has no shot at all.

Thing is, we both can't prove that Lebron would succeed or fail in the euroleague...but here is the thing. The NBA is the best basketball league in the world. Lebron dominates that league, it would be safe and logical to assume that he'd dominate in the 2nd best league in the world also.

It is one thing to say that some NBA roleplayer might not adjust to the euroleague and dominate...it is another to say that a player that runs through the best league in the world would have problems adjusting to it. You really underestimate the skills these players have, they adjust.

 

"NBA is best league in world". "LeBron dominates in NBA" (even though he sure does not in the playoffs). "Euroleague is second best league in world". Ergo, "LeBron will also dominate in Euroleague".

You fail to consider and understand that the Euroleague has much harder defense and it is much harder to score there than in the NBA.

The truth is that the NBA is an easier league to score in because it is less physical and has worse defense.

This is the actual fact, and not the hype and marketing that comes from the NBA. You are simply taking NBA hype and marketing as "fact", and totally refusing to acknowledge the actual truth of the matter.

Which is that the NBA is an easy league to score in from an offensive standpoint. You can call the NBA "the best league in the world" all you want to. But regardless of that, and whatever NBA hype and marketing and NBA fans claim or think, the fact is that the NBA is an easy league to score in on the offensive side of the court.

LeBron would be playing in a harder and more difficult league in Euroleague, with him trying to play on offense. It is a fact, and just because NBA fans refuse to admit it, does not change that.

This is the problem. It is that people that only follow the NBA just seem to be unwilling to admit that the NBA is designed as a cross between competitive sports and an entertainment show.

People even make the comments here about how "NCAA can't be watched". Without even grasping that they actually play some defense in NCAA.

How people can watch the typical NBA regular season game and are not able to see that it is just basically a show for easy scoring and dunks and layups is beyond me. They have practically outlawed defense in the NBA, never mind the unbelievable allowance for travel and palming violations and the endless unwarranted free throws for "star players".

Why can the average NBA fan not admit what is so plainly clear and obvious?

You can claim NBA is the best league all you want. The NBA is nothing the same as the Euroleague. It would still be harder to play for LeBron in Euroleaue, against hard defense, tough rules, and physical and intense play, than it would be for him to play in the NBA. This is true for all players. Euroleague is a harder league to play in for all players.

Which league is "better" according to whatever your definition of that is, is totally irrelevant and does not even matter. The discussion is when you are playing under Euroleague rules. LeBron could not in any way ever have the kind of impact, "dominance", or stats like he does in NBA in Euroleague. I can guarantee you that. It's not even something even debatable to me.

The NBA was for many years built more as a show, for offense to have it easy, for high scoring, for "stars" to get "special treatment". But in recent years, they have even taken this to a new level with the way David Stern has slowly turned it into something half way between sports and And1.

Think about this for a second. How many points would LeBron score if he could be hand checked, if you could play any defense imaginable on him, if you could pack the lane the whole shot clock with 7 footers, if he did not get favoritism and gift free throws from refs, and if he was not allowed to travel or palm the ball?

How many points does he get in the NBA then? Now transfer that to a 40 minute per game league, with a smaller court, and where the refs allow a significant more amount of physical contact. And do not base FIBA or the Olympics on Euroleague in those terms. Euroleague allows a considerably higher amount of physical contact than FIBA or the Olympics do.

You can hip check, you can bump, you can shoulder block on the ball handlers in Euroleague and most of the time they do not blow the whistle. You usually don't get any allowance of that in FIBA or the Olympics as the defense (because of the NBA complaining about it so much those things were changed).

Euroleague still mostly allows it though. In Euroleague an assist has to be earned. It cannot just be a pass to a score like in NBA. It must be deemed as a play creation.

Rebounds are harder to come by in Euroleague because of the physical nature of the lane being packed with big men and less shots being taken. Look at Scola. 5 rebounds type of guy in Euroleague, but can do 8 or better in the "vastly superior" NBA.

LeBron could not dominate in Euroleague.

 

I can't wait for OHMSS to say Shaq would be a role player because he couldn't shoot the ball a damn either.

 

Lol I'm not saying Lebron would get crazy numbers. Obviously the Euroleague's differences would not allow that.

And no matter how much 'tougher' the Euroleague defense is, they are still not the premier league when it comes to basketball. Physically Lebron is on an entirely different level than these guys are if you say otherwise than there is no helping you. I'm not dissing the Euroleague by saying Lebron would dominate it, Lebron is once again arguably the best player in the world. To say he wouldn't dominate (by euroleague standards) is not very logical considering he's the best player in the world and the Euroleague is the 2nd best league on the world.

Again, would Ronaldo not dominate in the EPL? It's not saying the EPL is a crappy league, it's just a testament to how good Ronaldo is.

Which is what I'm saying. You claim Lebron would not dominate the EL as if it were a fact and everything points to that he would. You claim no one watches the euroleague but how much NBA do you watch to say some of the things you say? You claim that he would not succeed because he has no shot which is completely untrue.

Either way this is pointless, because your only reasons as to why a NBA player would not succeed in a inferior league is because "They all travel and the NBA is just a show." and trying to slyly say that the NBA is a lesser league because they coddle star players. You want to say "The Euroleague is better than the NBA." so you might as well just say it.

Also it is only logical that Scola would average 3 more rebounds in the NBA...you know considering that NBA games are 8 mins longer. So that's not a good point at all lol. Of course stats will be lower given they are playing 8 mins less in the Euroleague.

 

Of course.

Euroleague is too physical for a prime Shaq I'm sure.

 

Jay Google, did you start watching football when Ronaldo joined Real? You always bring up the EPL and Ronaldo when talking about dominating in a foreign league, you really don't know he played with ManU for years and dominated everything? He even was in the CL finals.

 

Yes I know, that's why I bring up Ronaldo specifically. You can't assume that one of the best players in the world wouldn't dominate every league they step foot in. That's why they are one of the best.

While it's fair to say Chase Budinger wouldn't dominate or even bonafide starters in the NBA like Lowry wouldn't dominate it's a bit of a jump to say guys who dominate in the premier league of Basketball like Wade and Lebron...it's a bit of a stretch to say they would not dominate.

 

Yes I knew why you'd put it up, but it just didn't seem right to ask this question with Ronaldo having dominated EPL. Better use Messi for this. :grin:

 

France gettin killed lmao. 15-4.

 

15-12, comeback.

 

Am I the only guy left watchin the tournament? :grin:

 

I have watched all of Spain's games. I don't care enough to watch any other teams.

 

Shame there are no comments about the Spain-France game, awesome first half so far. This sometimes makes me doubt the amount of true basketball fans at CF. That "I only watch NBA" mentality is really questionable if you're supposed to be the fan of the sport. You rarely see games with the high level of talent/teamplay that these two teams are playing right now.

 

Possibly not shown live in most areas in the US? Also, this is an American forum, so I think it is understandable that watching the European Championship is not a top priority.

 

Yes but there are streams and again, it's the final with Spain playin vs. France, some of the top players in the world competing for the title. I'm not saying it's a top priority, but seeing how I'm the only one keeping this alive since 9-11 and how so many dudes here claim this is not real ball and how "horrible" it is compared to NBA. This really has me wondering how these people define this sport. If dunking, blocks, tats, trashtalk and athleticsm are the only things they see in "real basketball", they clearly miss the spirit and meaning of true basketball. As an example, we both love soccer and enjoy to watch it. But half of the guys here would only watch Premier League/ La Liga and dismiss every other league and only watch when Real, Barca, ManU, Bayern, Chelsea, Milan are playing. That'd mean they don't really like the sport as it is meant to be and just want to watch fancy matches with superstars. That's how they're treating every basketball that is not NBA.

 

I'm european and watching Rockets' games is my one of my top priorities. Soooo...

 

meant to say: is one of my top sorry

 

I'm still here and I have been watching all the games. I just stopped commenting after I have been trashed, ridiculed, mocked, patronized, insulted so much here by NBA only fans.

By the exact kind of "fans" you are talking about. Self-described worldwide "basketball experts" that have never in their lives seen a Euroleague or EuroBasket game. But that feel obligated to insult and ridicule anyone that has and tell them what trolls and liars they are.

It's really sad the lack of basic general basketball knowledge that these NBA only fans have.

 

So since some members here haven't been supplying as many posts as you daily they aren't true basketball fans even though there is only a few games of basketball going on that are barely televised if all overseas and who dont want to fill their computer with malware from some shaddy website to watch them all day long.

Oh, and heaven forbid we have to mention that this is a Houston Rockets fansite and.... NEWSFLASH.... There isnt a whole lot of Rockets news to talk about. Its ok to be a fanatic... Most people that know me think of me as a Rockets fanatic, but DAMN... Get a life and stop feeling so damn enlighted by the basketball gods because you have nothing better to do than to learn obscure statistics about players overseas for the sake of winning an argument with some 15 year old kid on the web who just bought his first Luis Scola jersey at Academy.