[Eurobasket-2011] Donuts was cut from Lithuanian national team roster

Let's see how Valanciunas does...
Amazing crowd, you can feel the intensity.

 

You overrate the Euroleague to ridiculous amount.

 

He obviously watches a lot of European basketball, but sorely lacks talent evaluation skills if he thinks Euroleague talent is equal to (or even better than, he claims sometimes) the NBA. That's why everyone thinks he's an annoying idiot.

Can you explain to me, if the NBA completely missed the mark on letting Teodosic go undrafted when he was younger, why no one tried to bring him over now that he's become a young Steve Nash/Jason Kidd? I'm sure last summer when his contract status was up in the air, a team like the Lakers who could really use a PG upgrade would have loved having an all-time great talent like this on their team.

 

He's simply not athletic enough to defend NBA players. He would get killed by guys like Westbrook, Rondo, Lawson,... His game is suited for the better team-defense, smaller court and slower pace of European Basketball. He has enough talent to be the floor general and shooting threat for the NBA. His lack in athleticsm and work ethic are the only thing that stands in the way.

 

Now let's focus on the game, this is just amazing so far. Lithuania hitting everything.

 

Thank you. So Noah comparing Teodosic to NBA level stars like Nash is just plain idiocy, and OHMSS coming here to inform us of this crap obviously just further proves how stupid he is.

 

Spending 4 hours per day in the gym and taking all kinds of stuff to bulk up while being physically gifted isn't what I consider "talent". Seems Noah and all the other Americans playing in Europe agree. NBA guys have a physical advantage, but that doesn't mean they're better Basketball players. Like I said, some of you guys think the main factors of this sport are dunking, blocking, yelling, muscles and tattoos. All the show isn't proving anything. It's a team sport and many of the European Guys have better fundamentals and ball-iq than NBA players. They also play better as a team. When debating the level of play please leave out the "NBA players have more speed and would block/dunk..."

 

No he would not. The Sonics had a number of elite defenders, including Payton and McMillen.

You have never "seen" Wilt play, so I do not know how you can make such a statement. Also, you said Hakeem would not get 15 points a game. A number of NBA rejects have averaged over 15 points a game in the Euroleague.

The "rules" when Hakeem were different, and the game was more physical, with hand checking, etc. Your point has some validity in the modern game but not in the 90's when Hakeem was in his prime. Also, part of the reason that you do not have more dominant scoring in the Euroleague is that huge vaccum sucking noise you hear from the NBA taking all the elite talent away.

I dont know that the NBA is set up for a single player to dominate. The teams that win titles usually have multiple offensive threats. I do agree though, that the NBA is more of a superstar's league than others.

It is not any more far fetched to claim that Hakeem would average 10 blocks, than it is to say he wouldn't get 15 points a game.

The lane was not open in the 1990's very often in the NBA...

15 points a game for Hakeem is low... if Kleiza and Q Woods can get more than that, pretty safe to say Hakeem would.

BTW
I wish Papaloukas would have come over... I think he would have been a good back up point guard in the NBA.

 

Lithuania having a great game, crowd's really feeding them. If they play like that vs. Germany we're out of the tournament.

 

100-90, best game so far. Incredible performance by Lithuania. Jasikevicius, Kalnietis and Valancius with superb stats.

 

Valanciunas*

 

Okay. So OHMSS should have just said Teodosic wouldn't thrive in the physically superior NBA, not that the NBA didn't evaluate his talent correctly.

Why would you leave out things like speed and athleticism when comparing the two leagues in terms of talent? Head-to-head, those advantages are why stars in the NBA would dominate fundamentally better Euroleague stars.

 

But as you see in the Eurobasket(or probably not, cause you not watchin it), NBA players can only dominate on a NBA-sized court, not on a Euro-sized with European rules and tactics. The NBA court is made for athleticsm and run&gun instead of teamwork. The advantage these guys show in Eurobasket and Euroleague is very small, if there is one.

 

How different are the euroleague rules to Worlds or Olympics?

 

Yes... OHMSS is defeated... Oh it feels oh so good.... :grin:

Showing your true colors, and knowledge...

 

come on if Scola and Ginobili can average 15 pts in the euroleague, Hakeem could definitely do it.

 

SGs (remember?)

 

Maybe I should use the word cancer to describe Hedo and Belinelli then. Maybe they are not the worst players on their teams, but they are the reason why their teams lose games most of the time. So at the very least, they are cancers and their teams would be better off without them.

Maybe that does not make them the worst players on their teams, but it does make them the players that play the worst as it related to winning basketball games, or hurt their teams the most.

Let me put it this way. Is Belinelli any better than Carraretto? He puts up better stats, but does he do anything that Carrarretto cannot do? Maybe he is more talented or capable, but unlike Cararretto he hurts the team with his totally selfish play.

I'm not saying Belinelli or Hedo are necessarily less capable or talented than every player on Turkey or Italy...I am saying that they are the guys that cause their teams to lose. Because the way they play is very detrimental to their teams. I guess some could debate about Hedo (among Turkish fans most can't stand him though).

But with Belinelli, I see no way this can be debatable. He is just about the most selfish player I have ever seen. So it's not that they are the worst players from a skill standpoint, because they are not, but in terms of performance on the court that decides on winning and losing based on how you interact with your team, they pretty much are the worst.

Although Hedo did play a lot better this summer than he did the last two summers. He wasn't that bad so far in this tournament for the most part he was OK this year. But the last 2 summers he was pretty awful.