[Eurobasket-2011] Donuts was cut from Lithuanian national team roster

I am not saying he is bad, but his shooting percentages are getting way to close to Trevor Ariza for my taste... In fact, they were damn near identical to Trevor Ariza.
82 games...


You want to see an NBA game that is more similar to the Euroleague?
Take the top 90 players, 3 from each team, and send them to the guillotine.
Now we have interchangeable pieces and mediocre players getting more touches, and posing as stars.
Want to know why Billy will never work in the NBA? (He needs the ball)
The NBA is about playing off the superstars, which the Euroleague has ZERO of... (Except for Trajan Langdon)
This is a coaches dream. Execute strategy and run whatever offense you like, likely involving tons of 7 ups, 7 downs and 66's.
With a superstar like say for instance, Hakeem Olajuwon, It is IDIOTIC to run an offense that is anything more than a post game that plays to mismatches. Rudy T ftw...
Are there any Hakeem Olajuwon's in Euroleague?

 

You overrate the NBA to a ridiculous amount.

 

That's just a fantasy myth that is imagined in the minds of American NBA fans. It has absolutely no basis at all in reality.

 

Your trolling has gone downhill my man...

You must be seeing stars... (Undoubtedly a new experience for you)

 

Funny how guys here dismiss all NBA players that say the talent level and play is huge in Europe. Of course American guys that only play with their friends and never watch European Basketball know better than all the Scouts, Coaches and players.

 

Prime Hakeem would be a 15 point scorer in today's Euroleague. It's called pure zone defense and no defensive 3 seconds rule.

 

Germany 55-56 vs. Spain goin into the 4th, great performance by Marc Gasol(22pts) and Dirk(17pts).

 

Refs not seeing Rubio's dribbling violation and then Hamann with a bad turnover. :E

 

Refs never calling fouls on Dirk, hate this. Also way too much turnovers and Kaman killing it with missing easy layups and dribbling violations. Could've really beaten Spain today.

 

I don't hate Euro basketball, I actually like the no 3 second rule. But a prime Hakeem with no 3 second rule would average 10 blocks per game if he could just stand under the basket. And 15 points per game? Come on man, this dude dominated some of the best centers to ever play. I'm sure he'd be fine against players like Bouroussis, Barac, and Papadopoulos.

 

Why didn’t Milos Teodosic even get drafted if he’s as good as Nash/Kidd?

Probably because he and these other "best players in the world" would get exposed like V-Span by coming over here.

Noah must be smoking some extra good stuff lately.

 

He would be facing much better defense than what the Sonics used on him.

Hakeem is the best one to one low post center I have seen, along with Kareem and Chamberlain. But he would not get that big of stats in Euroleague.

That's how so many NBA fans just don't understand the NBA and its rules are designed to make the offense flourish. They don't understand that no one player can dominate in Euroleague. It simply does not happen.

But, most NBA fans make ridiculous statements like "Trajan Langdon dominated Euroelague". When the truth is that no player can do any such thing. Unlike the NBA where the whole entire league is designed specifically so that the chosen players can dominate.

So it just makes most NBA fans look silly when they say things like "Trajan Langdon dominated Euroleague" and stuff like that. Hakeem would without question be the best center in Euroleague if his prime self played there now. But he would most certainly never remotely get near averaging 10 blocks a game.

Players will simply NOT drive the lane due to those rules if a shot blocker is there. In the NBA, the lane is wide open virtually the entire game and thus, a guy like Hakeem can rack up blocks. Those opportunities for blocks will simply almost all be eliminated in Euroleague.

There is always some absurd inflation in these estimates from NBA fans about what so and so NBA player would average in Euroleague, due to not factoring in such differences in the game rules.

 

So why did Skita, Darko, and Rubio all get drafted in the lottery when they are total scrubs for the most part? Strange.......

Yeah, because NBA teams are all so perfect in how they assess and draft players. They never ever miss a player and never ever waste a draft pick...

The NBA is drafting guys from Europe every year that can't even make a Euroleague roster. Guys that are total scrubs in Europe ---? directly to the NBA draft on a regular basis.

The NBA drafting of European players means absolutely nothing about the level of the players. Right now NBA fans are all over Kanter and Valanciunas and these guys are nothing special at all by European basketball standards.

They would not even log a minute of floor time on any good Euroleague club. Straight to the NBA lottery. And regardless of how much BS is posted in this forum about Spanoulis, he is a far superior player to Rubio, Kanter, Valanciunas and none of those guys could ever be half as good as he is.

But, hey, people like you actually have changed history into "Spanoulis was not good enough for the NBA", from the fact -> which was that Van Gundy simply ruined, sabotaged, and destroyed Spanoulis' NBA career.

Yeah, Drazen Petrovic sure looked destined for a great NBA career when Adelman refused to play him. Get real man. You hit on just about every untrue myth about European basketball in a few lines.

And, just in case you forgot, Brandon Jennings and Ricky Rubio, guys like that, that are among the very worst players of the entire Euroleague, complete full out scrubs at the Euroleague level, were coveted by the "vastly superior" NBA.

Von Wafer was the 6th man on this HOUSTON ROCKETS team when it made the playoffs and he averaged about 3 points per game in Greece. Gary Neal was the 6 man on the team with the best record in the western conference...........he averaged 2.3 points per game in the Euroleague and was cut by 2 different teams in Europe.

Jonas Jerebko was a backup SF on a mediocre Italian club that did not even play in a European competition. He was the very next season starting in the NBA. Casspi was a hustle role player in Maccabi and was in the next season starting in the NBA.

The list goes on and on and on. Hundreds of examples of NBA players that played much better in the NBA than they ever did in European basketball.

 

If you read OHMSS posts like onion articles, they are enjoyable to read. :grin:

 

Let's dismiss the fact that the games are played slightly differently (we already discussed that it is reffed differently), or the fact that players are going through culture shock (the same reason a lot of Euros fail in American leagues) and pretend it's just because the average talent level in Europe is higher than America.

I've been primarily a hockey fan for a dozen years, and I can tell you that the changes in culture and subtle differences between the Euro hockey games and North American hockey games really throw guys off. TONS of Euro players have failed in North America after being drafted.

There are a lot of factors going on in the transition. Using hockey as an example, there are hundreds of fine players from Europe who can be NHL contributors, but they still don't stack up to Canada's incredible talent base. It could be because Euro countries have very small populations. It could also be because their populations have more diverse sports interests (soccer, for example). It could be because their style of play is different - BUT -

The indisputable fact is that Canada dominates and other countries' hockey programs can only WISH they were Canada, because it is the country where pro hockey was born and bred. The same rule applies (thus far in the world) to the USA with basketball.

(ok I apologize for taking the bait)

 

OHMSS isn't bad when you ask legit questions, but when people come in and flame the euroleague (which has high quality players, contrary to what most Americans believe), he starts with the rants and attack of people having no basketball knowledge. I've gone back and forth with him a few times, but when I ask a real question about someone, he answers.

 

He’s an arrogant prick. Other European posters here confirmed that he’s mostly full of ****. And then in response to that he further acts like an arrogant prick by calling them “fake Europeans” like he’s done to anchel.

 

Teodosic vs. Kalnietis, Jasikevicius now. Should be a pretty entertaining game.

 

He's not full of BS, he's pretty deep into European Basketball and knows what he's talking about. If he'd use "mediocre" instead of "scrub" and wouldn't call guys like Hedo and Belnielli the worst guys on their team he'd have great credibility. He's right most of the times, but goes over the top when arguing abotu players, that's why most of you guys hate him.

 

Sorry for the typos, watching the Serbia-Lithuania game AND cooking AND typing right now.:grin: