Actually, I do. I've never seen them play for a title. They'll never compare to Texas, OU, USC, FL, LSU, Bama, etc.. Winning a Big 12 a long time ago is all fine and dandy but I'm talking about being one of the big dogs. A program like Texas that doesn't rebuild, it reloads.
If LHN is the success UT thinks it will be, you'll be independent in a couple of years or still in the Big 12.
I'm gonna let sammy argue on behalf of BU. BU has no place in this discussion except for where they land when it all shakes out. Josh, i didn't suggest A&M didn't have integrity for not looking out for BU, so i hope the rolled eyes weren't for me.
This is the typical Aggie response. I say that I feel that it won't be all hunky dorey when you start playing that brutal schedule every season.. Aggie responds by saying Baylor sucks!!1! I never brought up Baylor. Aggies did. All I'm doing is responding. I completely agree 1 million percent that we shouldn't be in the A&M to the SEC discussion. Like you, all I'm concerned with is to see where this conference is going moving forward. Hopefully, this gets official very soon so we can move on.
I'm pretty convinced the LHN will not be the success UT thinks it will be. The fact that it launched to no one and its first premiere event may not be covered by anyone is not the best start for it. ESPN's attempt to move the BYU game to force carriers to buy it just seems desperate - I suspect they seriously overestimated how much interest carriers would have in this thing and how much they could charge for it. If the superconference model does arrive as many seem to predict, UT won't be independent for the same reasons ND won't be; and the Big12 likely won't exist, so I'm not sure either of those will be an option.
Actually it's about independence and money....then football. Football is definately not first in this equation.
You're right. My apologies. I misinterpreted what you wrote. RocketmanJosh is the one that continually brings up Baylor.
That is a rhetorical question. UT will obviously give up the LHN and join the Pac 16 super-conference.
Jesus man, there you again... from point A, then jumping to universe X. Also, you spelled definitely wrong. Sucker.
And there you go not comprehending again. You said it's about football. I said the football aspect is actually last in this equation. I may not be able to spell but I can read and comprehend. And you can stop posting your personal signature at the end of every post (the sucker part).
LSU wasn't always good. Florida wasn't always good. To think a school with TAMU's footing is incapable of rising is shortsighted. Its facilities are top notch, its fanbase is top notch, the state it recruits in is top notch, its resources are top notch. Why cant TAMU compete? ESPN and Rivals have TAMU's 2012 recruiting class ahead of LSU, Tennesse, Georgia, etc...
I've only been using sucker on you for awhile. And its obvious why. I make a response on one subject and you bring up something completely different. That's fine, just don't piggyback off any of my posts when you do it. I was responding to a remark about the Aggie fight song. Put me on your ignore list for the love of God. You just don't seem to "get it".
Continuing from the earlier OU article. This is as blunt as anyone has been about wanting the Pac16. http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...id=202&articleid=20110831_202_B1_NORMAN365879 Dave Sittler: Bob Stoops pondering life without a Big 12 NORMAN - Would a watered-down Big 12 Conference make Bob Stoops rethink his future at Oklahoma? When I posed that question to OU's football coach after his Tuesday press conference, Stoops' silence spoke volumes. Stoops confirmed that watching the ongoing conference realignment around the country reinforces the necessity for the Big 12 to take swift and dramatic action. The Sooner Nation has lived through several tense situations as other schools came after Stoops. But no one would have thought a crumbling Big 12 might cost them a coach who obviously doesn't want to leave. Stoops said he is somewhat surprised he will start his 13th season at OU with Saturday's opener against Tulsa. But from recent conversations I've had with him, it seems clear that Stoops, who turns 51 on Sept. 9, now hopes to coach the Sooners for perhaps another decade. During his first 10 years, rumors of Stoops leaving for another job were relentless. But after he rejected several opportunities, including Notre Dame and Florida (twice), athletic directors finally got the message that he is happy at OU. So why would he bolt now? Because he's a competitor who wants to continue chasing national championships, which is easier at a school in a strong BCS conference. The original Big 12 provided the perfect avenue for Stoops to win the 2000 national championship and to take the Sooners to three more BCS title games. But the already weakened Big 12 could absorb a fatal blow when Texas A&M jumps to the SEC. The loss of the tradition-rich Aggies, along with Colorado and perennial powerhouse Nebraska, has left the league a mere shell of its former powerful self. Big 12 leaders are scrambling to find a replacement for A&M so the league can continue its survival plan of 10 teams. But Stoops said during his press conference that the future is larger conferences. "Do I like the 10-team thing? Sure," Stoops said. "Did I like it better with 12 teams? Probably. "Ten would have been fine, but 12 in today's landscape and with the (league) championship game is probably better." The Big 12's downsizing prohibits it from conducting a championship contest. And there apparently aren't enough BCS-level schools seeking membership so the league could expand to the 12 required for a title game. "We'll land in a strong position," said Stoops, in an apparent reference to OU finding a new conference home. "I believe that (because) we've got too strong a hand here." Stoops knows a league requires strength in numbers. One or two strong programs in a 10-member conference won't cut it if the expansion trend continues to 14- and 16-team conferences. A year ago, Stoops endorsed the idea of OU joining the then-Pac-10 when that league attempted to expand to 16 members. He confirmed Tuesday that membership in a Pac-16 still excites him. "Think about it," Stoops said. "A (league) championship game in the Rose Bowl, going to USC to play, the Rose Bowl and playing UCLA (the storied stadium serves as the Bruins' home field) ..." Stoops also still believes if the Sooners eventually head west that it's vital to take at least three Big 12 teams with them. When commissioner Larry Scott was trying to grow the Pac-10 to 16 teams, he wanted to add OU, Oklahoma State, Texas and possibly Texas Tech. "It's very important, because of (playing) games in this area and recruiting in Texas is still going to matter to us," Stoops said of at least two Texas-based Big 12 teams joining OU on the Left Coast. "Half our games would be here, and then we'd have a couple down there (Texas) for recruiting purposes." The perfect storm for Stoops would be for the Big 12 to rebuild by adding three teams with reputation that will restore the league's tarnished national image. He loves the Big 12's reported Hail Mary attempt to attract Notre Dame. "We have to play (Notre Dame) next year anyway," said Stoops, who semi-joked that the contest with the Irish "might as well be in the conference. "Sure, I'd like to see them come in. Who wouldn't?" Notre Dame officials reconfirmed Monday the school's intentions to remain an independent. Unless Arkansas and a couple of other BCS schools decide to join the Big 12, the long-term future looks bleak. Or maybe not. The Big 12 is reportedly relying on the secret efforts of the two men Stoops said are why he is still at OU - president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione. Sources close to those mapping out the Big 12's strategy said yesterday "the key players remain David Boren and Joe Castiglione in many ways. They have the key ideas." Boren and Castiglione haven't even acknowledged their involvement in the Big 12's fight for survival. But the league isn't the only one depending on them. Acknowledging that he's a bit stunned he's still at OU, Stoops said, "the strongest reason why, is the administration and their support. "I keep in touch with Joe and President Boren (about expansion). They keep me up to date with how things are going and what the latest is." Boren and Castiglione obviously know what the latest news is on their football coach - Stoops wants the security of knowing the Sooners' conference future is strong enough to keep him at OU for the long haul.
I never said that they can't compete. It's just that history isn't in the favor of A&M when it comes to playing on the biggest stage of football. The chances of OU, Bama, LSU playing in another title game this season are huge. The teams I listed have been perennial contenders for a while now.
Well OU, Bama and LSU have the advantage of being the top school in their state. A&M doesn't have that advantage. I think they have enough resources and in-state talent as to where they should be a dominant program. But for some reason, they haven't had much success in the modern era aside from the years that they followed the SMU model.
This IS the first time I am actually rooting for OU. Do it! Let's all go to the PAC and form the first super conference! I LOVE Pac10 football, Big10 is more boring than the Big 12. Fawk the LHN, not interested. West Coast football would be outstanding!!! Go OU!
