2 teens racing on gessner kill a mother and two children. jail time or probation?

These kids need to pass the Advanced Placement Calculus exam while they are incarcerated.

Who will teach these kids Calculus?

Else, go to woodshop and make yourself a shoeshine box. You're gonna need it.

These kids... . It's not that they're stupid, it's just they don't know anything.

Sincerely,

The Ghost of Jaime Escalante

 

18 = adult = throw the book at 'em.

No way. At best, criminally negligent manslaughter. At worst, vehicular homicide. They were knowingly breaking the law and putting the public at risk. There was nothing "involuntary" about it.

 

5 years.

 

5 years is too light.. these grown ADULTS deserve A LONG sentence.. idiots

 

Five years probation sounds about right...

If they're on probation, they can still finish school and be a contributing member to the community. They will be forced to do community service, or donate to the community. They will have to regularly meet with a probation officer and take drug tests. In short, after five years of probation, these miscreants will either be drug-free contributing members of society, or they'll be in jail for violating the probation -- an outcome that is much cheaper and more beneficial to society than the alternative:

If they're put in prison for five years, all of the resources used to educate and prepare these young men to be contributing members of society will have been for naught. They probably won't serve all of their time because of rampant overcrowding of the local prisons and jails. They probably won't be able to get employment after serving the time. The unemployment rate is already high among young males. I'd assume that it's even higher among young males just getting out of prison. And most importantly, they'll probably be more apt to criminal behavior after leaving prison because of limited employment opportunities and what they've learned in prison.

Frankly, I'm glad that none of you have a say in the process because the responses in this thread have made it apparent that any decisions you'd make would be based entirely on emotion rather than on an honest valuation of which outcome will yield the best results for society as a whole.

 

Under several theories on criminal penalties, it makes sense for them to serve substantial prison terms. You and the defense have only addressed the rehabilitative theory of sentencing, whereby you expect the punishment to make the offender a better person (ie they won't do it again after their sentence). Under the theories of retribution, deterrence, and incapacitation, a long sentence makes perfect sense.
Retribution - they killed 3 people and they deserve to be punished for it.
Deterrence - these two get a long prison term after street racing, maybe someone else will think twice about doing it.
Incapacitation - they will definitely not be doing it again while they are in prison and have no access to a car.
There is little evidence that prison terms serve a rehabilitative function in a statistically significant number of cases. That does not mean we should never send criminals to prison. In California, we no longer consider prison terms to be for the purpose of rehabilitation under the law.

 

Frankly, I am astounded at the stupidity of some people.

You give these guys five years of probation and you will see thousand of other "accidents" where innocent people die because other idiots will do the same thing thinking they can also get off easy.

They don't need to be made an example. These guys are guilty, they pay for what they've done, period.

 

Let 'em burn in hell for their transgressions!!!!!!!!! :grin::grin::grin:


Seriously, they should do some hard time. We can't just totally dismiss what they did as simply a "poor decision"; that wouldn't be fair to the family of the mother and the two small children. Of course, if they get off with juvy, they will NEVER escape the court of public opinion.

No manslaughter; murder in the second degree or vehicular homicide.

 

These are all good comments if these young men were arrested for possession of mar1juana, but they killed people. This is something for which people are incarcerated.

 

So you're saying that the punishment should fit the criminal and not the crime?

 

Three people dead and they get probation? I absofreakinlutely can't believe this garbage!!!

Maximum penalty of 20 years for these assholes. Yes it was a mistake, but you have to pay for your mistakes!

Racing at 93 mph on Gessner, wtf did they think was going to happen?

I hate to throw race into this, but what if the drivers were illegal Mexicans and the dead family was decent looking white folks?

I highly doubt they would get probation then.

 

That's pretty crazy they should have gotten pretty good amount of jail time.

What's the speed limit 45? This is just as bad drunk driving IMO....

 

Jail time and change the laws to make getting a driver's license harder.

Too many idiots are on the streets with a loaded weapon.

 

What an outrage. Pro freaking bation? Three dead people, two of them are children. You've got to be kidding me.

 

Agree with the 20 years. Probation is a JOKE in this circumstance. They are adults, whether they are 18/19 or 30/40.

 

Am I the only one who thinks we should make it much much much harder to get a drivers license in this country?

Read somewhere, maybe here on the BBS, about a politician advocating that if you don't graduate high school your license is revoked or you can't get one until you do. To me that would only be a start.

 

I was thinking..

Or and maybe

 

In Texas, we send 16 year olds to 20 years in jail and these MAN get off with probation?

 

This is what happens when you live your life a quarter mile at a time. Nothing else matters.