There is no chance Notre Dame joins the Big 12. There is a good chance they would be really interested in a Thanksgiving matchup with Texas though. And considering Tech outrecruited A&M last year, I feel pretty damn confident saying they won't have a top five class and would be lucky to even get into the top 10.
Dunno where my post went. Anyways, I don't buy OU's silence as acceptance or happiness about the future of the Big 12, Longhorn Network, etc. OU is tied to OSU...it's not like UT and A&M. Either the Big 12 will survive or OU and OSU will join a superconference together.
I wasn't trying to say anything is absolute. I was just trying to say yeah there is a TX option now, but you still have to convince that kid to pick College Station over Baton Rouge or these other SEC towns/colleges. I agree diff strokes for diff folks.
I think we have a slim chance only because they can have their own network. Slim being like 10%, lol.
The problem with this is academics. Texas is the only school in the big 12 that even starts to get close to ND. Also, what is ND's motivation for giving up independence? It certainly isn't so they can play KU, Baylor or ISU every year. I think it more likely for ND to stay independent but sign a long term deal with UT, hopefully replacing the Aggies for Thanksgiving. I would salviate over a ND-UT turkey day matchup, and I think the money generated from it would be off the charts.
Why would there be no chance? The big hurdle has always been ND's TV deal with NBC. The Big Ten would not allow ND to have its own deal. The Big 12 will do anything to survive...once A&M leaves, look for UT to get what it wants...access to televise conference games on LHN.
The eggheads won't like the Big 12's academics, but ND will do what makes the school the most money. Currently, if ND doesn't qualify for a BCS bowl game, does it get a cut of the BCS money? If no, there's your answer....assuming ND can keep its TV deal and rivalries.
Your argument, while it may seem logical and in some cases true simply isn't the case. Schools in the boonies get major recruits all of the time. And like I said, moving to the SEC MIGHT help getting recruits but TAMU doesn't have any problems recruiting AS IS.
That's probably true at the vast majority of schools, but it's not the ultimate decider for ND. We value our independence/tradition a whole lot more than a few extra million. I don't see ND joining any conference until it is absolutely necessary to (i.e., 16-team conferences). I honestly think the Big 12 has no shot at getting Notre Dame. You could say I'm wrong, say there's a 10% chance they'd come, they don't, and still say you were right. Either way, I think BYU would be the most likely out-of-state team to join the B12.
ND joining the pathetic Big 12 after calling the Big Ten "The Big Mistake" would be very foolish. If/when ND joins a 16-team "superconference", it will be either the Big Ten or the Big East (if it exists). I'm guessing the final four will be the Big Ten, SEC, Pac 12 and ACC. Only one of those 4 makes sense. The ACC would rate as a slim 2nd choice.
Of course A&M has no problems recruiting now, because they are the 2nd top school in Texas. Their recruiting class is mostly made up of Texas students, same as UT. Saying they have a top recruiting class has nothing to do with the point I was refuting, which is that going to the SEC is going to suddenly give A&M a big boost in recruiting. If you are competing for kids that only want the SEC (these are the kids you and others were mentioning when constantly making this point, right?) then why is College Station a better option than those other SEC schools/campuses? I don't think the pool is that large for this point to continue being made (for the reasons I've noted). But that's just my opinion. Most of the kids that just really want the SEC will probably just go to SEC schools, and I'm pretty sure the alternative being in College Station compared to say, Baton Rouge, will have something to do with that. Either way, having that opinion, which is quite logical, does not make me an ass. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive about this topic.
#9 (#4 in the SEC) 2012 *ahead of all mighty "black male" mecca LSU http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/recr...ider.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/classrankings #8 (#4 in the SEC) 2010 *ahead of all mighty "black male" mecca LSU http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrec...ng/teamrank;_ylt=Am94iSpDSl1GNTUQ9TpVeStGPZB4 Sucker
ND would be in the Big 10 by now if they were allowed to keep their indie-network. That's the thing, none of the BCS conferences are dumb enough to let a school have an indie-network - except the Big 12 of course. Which is why some people might think ND to the Big 12 is possible. BYU would be a great coup though IMO. BYU I could see. The Arkansas & ND talk are ridiculous though. For good measure Spoiler sucker
My "black male" comments are logical, factual comments. It is harder to get a black male to choose a conservative school in the boonies over a non conservative school that is not in the boonies. How many black males going to college do you know? How many black males have you recruited to go to a college? How many black Aggies do you know that said College Station was a very fun place to be? How many black parents have you disccused their childs college options with, mainly concerning the type of environment their child will be in? I'd appreciate an answer to these questions since you are calling me an ass for stating logical comments. There is a racial component to recruiting a kid, or in a kid choosing where to go to college. Sometimes folks want to take a racist angle when one brings a racial point into a conversation, hence me noting "I'm not a racist". Pointing this out does not make one a racist. It would be no different than me saying it's easier to convince a black male to move to Chicago than Salt Lake City. Your post above this one, highlighting the recruiting rankings, fail to highlight that one class is comprised of mainly Texas kids and the other not. Texas recruits usually trump all others, except for maybe CA and FL. The true question is how big is the bucket of kids that want the SEC but refuse to leave the state. Those will be the kids to bump up A&M recruiting. The guys that have no problem leaving, which I and others think is the majority of kids who just have to have the SEC, you have to be a better option than those other schools/campuses. This is the only area where "it's College Station" makes a difference.
TAMU had a higher percentage of black students enrolled than UT did back when I went there, I imagine they have even more now. I think UT might qualify as non-conservative and not in the boonies. Sucker
you mean over other conservative boonies like gainsville, alabama, knoxville, and oxford. That's why according to espn and rivals we have a top ten class coming in, were just making it up.
What makes you think the big 12 is pathetic? They have as many teams in the top 10 as the SEC. They have played in 6 of the past 10 championship games. 7 of the past 11 if you go back that extra year. They lost 2 teams. CU didn't get much of the denver tv market. It was one fewer school that didn't add to the TV value of the league. Addition by subtraction. Nebraska was a loss. They obviously didn't bring many tv markets with them but they have a lot of fans across the country. ND could keep the NBC money from home games, ESPN money from away games. AND they can continue to make their own network. Getting BYU would be a huge pickup. They own the whole state of Utah and have done well recently.
The Big 12 isn't pathetic, and by adding 3 more teams, 1 hopefully being BYU they can still do well. But they aren't up to par with the Big 10, Pac 12 or SEC, that's for sure. Like I've stated before, those other 3 conferences are out their attracting big name talent. The Big 12 is being poached while the other conferences are improving. I think that paints a clear picture of where it stands in the pecking order... Just because UT, OU and OSU are happy with their situation doesn't make it a good conference. The Big 12 will have 2 major programs when TAMU leaves. The SEC and Big 10 have at least 6-7. It doesn't matter who is in the top 10 in the rankings. If Baylor finishes 5th this year in the nation they still wouldn't be considered a valuable football program.
