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Deregulation in job hiring requirements could spark job growth?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ILoveTheRockets, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

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    Corporate hiring is skewed by favoritism, nepotism and social bias, you get rid of the degree requirement you shut out minorities, women and foreigners of any kind.
     
  2. aghast

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    But dude, without my college education I could not make the same pithy allusions to medieval literature and French philosophy, much to the delight of my equally college-educated coworkers. (They catch most of the allusions, though not all, for they are perhaps not as well-educated.)

    How else are we supposed to get through our work days filled with such rote, boring tasks?


    Also, to the general argument, have you ever tried hiring unqualified people to do work which requires actual skills? They ---- up. They ----- ----- up so badly that it takes two qualified people to fix their mistakes.

    It's difficult to find someone perfectly qualified for each position. But if trying to hire for a position which requires a smidgeon of mathematical/reasoning ability, who should one take on: common sense Joe Six Pack, or the person who has taken and passed several statistical analyses courses at a university level? A university degree is not a foolproof marker of one's suitability for the workforce, but I'll stick with it for now.

    And to the OP, generally college-educated folks stick around in under-fulfilling, underpaying jobs during a recession, cowed by the risks of striking out on their own. They squeeze out the uneducated/unqualified from working, yes, but they're not all that happy about it either.
     
  3. Commodore

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    On general principle, an employer should be able to hire and fire for any reason (unless it violates some contract stipulation)
     
  4. brantonli24

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    I really want to know who in that 1.9% of people who hold Doctoral Degrees are unemployed....
     
  5. langal

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    I don't think having a degree should disqualify you from a job.

    Employers cannot give out aptitude tests so a college degree means that someone was at least cogent enough to successfully apply for and complete college.

    As a software engineer, I do find that some of the best people I work with do not have college degrees.
     
  6. The Real Shady

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    The ones that think they deserve more money than employers are offering them.
     
  7. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    A ldoctoral degree can be a bad thing, because you spend so much time specializing one specific thing and if that thing goes out of style well...
     
  8. Dairy Ashford

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    Or a more fulfilling and unique experience than what corporate America might have to offer; maybe I'm oversimplifying but I bet some of them would probably rather take welfare and just sit in a damn college library all day.
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    There is no point in the history of capitalism when that was true. There have always been restrictions on hiring, whether enforced by government, guild or the local community (and not just by "voting with their feet").
     
  10. ILoveTheRockets

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    With that said. Would it be more beneficial to train less educated workers for a position that will require training for all applicants? But these lesser educated workers have wayyyyyyyyyy better work ethic since they didn't go to college and busted their asses to support their family.

    Or is it more beneficial to train a college kid that has way less work ethic but proved he can learn things, but has not proven he can apply what he learns to his work ethic.

    This is just general questions for middle of the road jobs. IMO This is where America's labor problems rise. Either we need to give relief to the lower end workers, or we need to boost the higher end job openings that college kids are not filling but climbing down the work ladder and taking lesser jobs that pay less because the top end jobs are being heavily competed for.

    And to the person that think's just because you have a doctoral degree you should have a job. You can go walk down Wall Street and find plenty of them without jobs.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    This is reverse ageism and class warfare. And again, blacks and women WILL NOT GET CORPORATE JOBS WITHOUT A DEGREE.
     
  12. ILoveTheRockets

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    Who said any thing about getting corporate jobs without a degree?

    you can call it class warfare, but I don't think that is the case. I just think our classes need to be balanced since we have flows of higher educated people taking away jobs in fields that people with high school diploma's have worked in all their life.

    You can call it class warfare all you want, but I know poor people that obtained degree's and still can't find work and have to resort back to what they know best because either the higher end jobs have no openings or they are competing with 10 others for 1 position.

    The fact is. If higher educated people are climbing back down the work ladder does this mean our education fields are flawed. And if so, do we need to go back to the small business basic's and start teaching these college graduates how to actually work for themselves instead of mashing into their brains until they comply that they HAVE to go work for some one else?
     
  13. ILoveTheRockets

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    I didn't mean what I said in that sense either. I was meaning to make an example of people from the same age groups.

    and yes. young people can have a family.
     
  14. ILoveTheRockets

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    I also want to apologize for the indirect, random dialog fellas.

    I am just trying to get a better understanding of our labor situation here in America.
     
  15. MoonDogg

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    In my personal experience....
    a large portion of ALL hiring "is skewed by favoritism, nepotism and social bias", That **** has been around a lot longer than corporations. In fact I saw more of it in smaller organizations than large corporations.
     
  16. madmonkey37

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    It sucks and this is the new normal. Decent paying manufacturing jobs have jumped ship in the last couple decades and the ones that do remain have turned to automation to cut out the labor. Even if there were more American manufacturing jobs, a lot Americans don't have the requisite skills to operate the machines that have replaced them.

    See here:
    Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage

    German Giant Says US Workers Lack Skills
     
  17. ILoveTheRockets

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    And that is exactly what I am trying to pinpoint. The whole question I have boils down to:

    Will it be more beneficial to train workers with better work ethic but less educated in these middle ground fields which require actual labor along with sense.

    or is it more beneficial to risk training a college graduate for the same positions but with less work ethic. but has the higher risk/reward due to higher education?

    If global companies are complaining about skill sets. Then something has to give. Especially since our jobs are being outsourced and more and more Americans are working abroad.
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    a couple of points, first of all you have to consider that college isn't the easy thing for everyone, if you have parents who can't help you, its harder for you.

    secondly, i have a degree and all jobs i've had can be taught to someone without a degree. however, i have a base of knowledge and concepts that helps me understand my job better than someone who probably wouldn't or at least would have a curve to catch up on.
     
  19. Commodore

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    Agreed, and those restrictions should be abolished.
     
  20. Billy Bob

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    I really don't understand your assertion that college graduates have less work ethics that non grads. Are you just taking this as blind fact? Is it from your experience or from some hard study? Because my experience tells me the opposite.

    Unless you can provide empirical evidence from a credible source (not saying you're wrong, but personal experience is too small of a sample), let's get remove this assumption.

    With that said, why don't we finance training for skilled positions regardless of educational status. It should be based of the desire of individual candidates. If someone is unemployed and willing to seek out a specific training, there's very little difference between a grad and a non grad.
     

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