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Deregulation in job hiring requirements could spark job growth?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ILoveTheRockets, Aug 26, 2011.

  1. ILoveTheRockets

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    I was just having a conversation with a friend and he was bringing up some pretty valid points.

    With our unemployment rates we have 3-8 people competing for every job position with the higher educated 10 times out 10 ten getting the jobs over the lesser educated high school diploma holders.

    Most jobs are keeping 1-4 jobs open just for higher educated people(from what we both came to a conclusion to. Which came to a middle ground on)

    If this is the case, could the 1-4 job openings we concluded for most businesses. Should they be open for fair competing amongst all high school/GED and College Grads? Would the training that comes with lets just say half of these jobs be more beneficial to jobs in America right now than hiring college grads that you will more than likely have to train any way be a better way to spark job growth and job competing?

    We were just discussing and was wondering what others thought about it
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    College educated people, on the whole, are better disciplined and thus better for the company. I once had an economics professor state that most companies look at all liberal arts degrees as being more or less the same and they are indicative that you were able to 'jump through the necessary hoops' of your future career choice. I was a science major, so who knows if that is valid.
     
  3. madmonkey37

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    This was what I pretty much heard from my friend who is in HR. Graduating college shows that you are disciplined and can work for 4+ years straight toward a singular goal. College isn't like high school, where teachers tell you exactly what to do and when to do it.
     
  4. ILoveTheRockets

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    Just because you have a college degree does not mean you are harder worker IMO. Nor does it mean you have more common sense then most people around you.

    Just to put that out there.
     
  5. jEXCLUSIVE

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    It doesn't? Since when?

    Post a link to support your claim or gtfo...
     
  6. ILoveTheRockets

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    So you mean to tell me that if a college kid graduates he has proven himself to be qualified in union fields, hard labor. Not only that, he can out work any one in any field just because they hold a college degree?

    I think that line of thinking is what is mainly hurting job positions for people qualified for the spot, but don't get it because someone with a degree or even some college got the benefit of the doubt.
     
  7. Wilford_Knows

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    I think a college degree would help make the obvious sarcasm in the post that you responded to more evident.
     
  8. ILoveTheRockets

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    I have no clue if it was or not. If it was then oops. But I know a ton of people that make that same exact argument. So it's hard to tell
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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  10. ILoveTheRockets

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    What are the number of people of each group tho? that is where the real facts begin.
     
  11. ILoveTheRockets

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    Also factor in the amount of higher educated people having to work in the in lower paying fields because of job cuts and the likes and this will be getting somewhere.

    I am not good with graphs
     
  12. ILoveTheRockets

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    And if you think about it. That goes against the way democrats see the economy and creating lower end jobs. We would need higher end growth in the economy to relieve pressure off the lower end jobs and get the economy back in balance.

    Right? or am I totally off here?
     
  13. rockbox

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    But it does prove that you have the discipline and professionalism to compete a task that takes 4 years without needing immediate reward.
     
  14. ILoveTheRockets

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    But it does not prove heart or will power in the same instance either. Which is more valued right now in this point of American history? I understand professionalism is always a must, but lets face it. Most kids coming out of college aren't very well disciplined these days. Just from what I see.
     
  15. thadeus

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    Anyone could be trained to do the jobs that most people get with 4-year college degrees. Even people with 4-year degrees need to be trained when they get most of these jobs.

    The idea that college represents "4 years of working toward something with no reward" is bull****. It's closer to 4 years without doing much work for most people. It's not an accurate representation of much of anything that they're going to encounter over the course of a normal job.

    There are some highly-specialized jobs that definitely need some sort of degree, but the vast majority of jobs that want applicants with B.S. or B.A.s don't have any real need for specialized knowledge. These are, often, the same jobs that one only needed a high school degree for 20 years ago (at least as far as credentials go).

    A college degree rarely confers on students any qualities that they wouldn't have otherwise.

    The reason it's become a standard is the same reason that anything else along those lines has become standard - credit checks, urine tests, psychological tests, and so forth.

    It's not really about knowledge and skills and such. It's about measuring up to a standard enforced by employers, and it's largely arbitrary. At best, it's a measure of obedience to a pre-defined (but ultimately irrelevant) set of social standards.
     
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  17. ILoveTheRockets

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    With that said.

    Is it more priority to create jobs to cater to college grads taking away jobs from people that are qualified for jobs in the lower paying fields?

    Or do we generate the bottom base of the labor foundation with jobs that possibly will never be filled 100%?

    And I'm not asking you specifically Thadeus. Asking any one in general.
     
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    I am confused what any of this has to do with 'deregulation in job hiring'? Is job hiring even regulated? Nothing in your original post says that it is. I see nothing about any legislation. I don't even know what 'job hiring regulation' would look like. Do you mean like not forcing a lawyer to pass the bar exam?
     
  19. wizkid83

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    I think your college degree, where you get it from, and the type that you get are indicative of what types of person you'd be at work. An engineering degree is damn hard to get, but getting one shows that you do have a quantitative mind (something that not every one have) and you're willing to put up with crap to get the job done. Everyone can get a good Engineering degree if you bang your head against the wall long enough, but to actually get one shows some combination of natural intellect and the willingness to put your self through crap.

    Ivy league schools, it's not about what they teach you, but the fact that the students can AND have beaten the other 99.9% of the people for that spot,that's what you bring to the table. Almost everyone would go to Harvard if they can go in, only a very select few actually is good enough to get in.
     
  20. ILoveTheRockets

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    Well, it was poorly worded, forgive me. Was meaning lowering the standard of job hiring requirements. In the case of important roles of infrastructure jobs,lawyers, doctors ect. ect. no you couldn't. Mainly focusing on middle ground labor that gets bumped out of the way due to higher end job cuts and the likes and employees taking jobs they aren't really qualified for but get jthe position because employers give them the benefit of the doubt due to higher education.

    the current question I have is:

    Should America prioritize the creation of job growth of higher end jobs that require the proper education to achieve a steady, reliable relief for the lower end labor that is suffering due to irregular hiring of people not normally qualified for the positions.

    Or: Should America prioritize the base foundation of labor job growth at the lower end to help boost the economy? But at the same time risk the chance of not being able to fill up the jobs to 100% full time employment.

    Which is more than likely the best course of action to take relief off the economy production stall?
     

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