Hacked E-Mail Data Prompts Calls for Changes in Climate Research

Listening to Perry shows just how prescient this post was.

 

Indeed. When I saw this post was resurrected, I thought it was just to laugh at people who say the quote you had of Donny's.

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/cern_cloud_cosmic_ray_first_results/

 

who would have thought the Sun plays a large role in how hot the Earth is...

 

Global warming?

 

LOL only some concern over statistical methods used. Which statistical test you use is always an debate, and with most data sets people would use different statistical tests. So basically there was really nothing they could find.

 

Exactly.

 

Its an interesting finding from a physics standpoint but from reading the article it sounds like there is still much more that needs to be studied about this phenomenon. While it says that climate models might need to be revised because of this it doesn't say which way.

 

Of course the sun plays the primary role in how hot the surface and atmosphere of the Earth is. Man made global warming doesn't mean that humans directly created the warming but that emissions of gases from man made sources are slowing down the atmosphere's ability to radiate out heat from the Sun back into space.

 

You're wasting your time.

 

I was bored.

 

I remember being taught this in third grade.

 

Totally wasting y'alls time. Commodore/MoJorge/Et alia would be finding their selective and partial and obfuscating arguments even as they burst into flames.

No scientist (of any real credentials) has ever said it is "heliocentric" OR "anthropogenic." That's asinine. There's no model worth anything that discounts the sun as the primary source of heat input. It's all about what happens after the input gets here. Whatever. I'm outta here.

 

You would think people most people would know that.

 

This probably won't change most skeptics mind but.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44996377/ns/us_news-christian_science_monitor/#.TqLVHnLDBko

Climate study confirms what skeptics scoffed at: global warming is real
Koch, Gates charities pay for research backing earlier claims that came under fire

A new climate study shows that since the mid-1950s, global average temperatures over land have risen by 0.9 degrees Celsius (1.6 degrees Fahrenheit), confirming previous studies that have found a climate that has been warming – in fits and starts – since around 1900.

Most climate scientists attribute warming since the mid-1950, at least to some degree, to carbon dioxide emissions from human activities – burning coal, oil, and to a lesser extent gas, and from land-use changes.

The latest results mirror those from earlier, independent studies by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction and Research in Britain, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

These previous efforts, however, came under fire from some climate-change skeptics who said they had detected serious flaws in the analytical methods and temperature records the three groups used.

The new research, which has yet to be formally published but which appears in four papers posted on BerkeleyEarth.org, uses new analytical techniques and a much larger set of records than the previous studies did.
How our planet's infernos affect climate

Indeed, the new approach to analyzing temperatures records allowed the team to make use of partial and older records previous studies had rejected as unusable, explains Richard Muller, a physicist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who coordinated the effort.

In the end, the team's result shows that the earlier studies "were done carefully and that potential biases identified by climate-change skeptics did not seriously affect" the conclusions these studies reached, said Dr. Muller, who some climate activists have labeled a global-warming skeptic.

More at link.

 

yeah, I posted that in the other 1st page climate thread. It won't make a hill of beans difference to the remaining skeptics.

It's sad to live in the era of the de-enlightenment. Truly.

 

Sorry my bad for not seeing that it had already been posted.

 

No worries! It's a big enough study, especially by a known skeptic, relative outsider, that it belongs in both threads.

 

BWAHHAAHAHAHAHAA.

New leaked Heartland Institute Documents show an active opposition to science.

At the time of ClimateGate Heartland Institute wrote the following:

Which was, of course, categorically proven false. But now...their own internal memos include gems like this:

 

UK Meteorology Office numbers show Earth hasn't warmed in 15 years


01/30/2012

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CLEVELAND - There are three agencies around the globe that are the keepers of global temperature numbers. The first is NASA. The second is the University of Huntsville in Alabama (satellite temperature records). The third is the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, the UK Met, as it is known.

Last week, the UK Met released its latest global temperature data to the world. It shows that the Earth has not warmed in 15 years. The warming ceased after the great super El Nino of 1998.

The numbers are based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations around the planet. The data was quietly released last week without fanfare and it confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

So, what does this mean for those scientists advocating the Global Warming/Climate Change Theory? In 2007, the UK Met Office claimed that global warming was about to "come roaring back." It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase in global temperature of 0.3C.

In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998. This has not happened.

These warming predictions are based on the outputs of computer forecast known as Global Climate Models (GCMs). None of the GCMs have seen nor predicted the lack of warming over the past 15 years, even as CO2 levels continue to rise.

The Met Office was relying on the same computer models that are being undermined by the current pause in global-warming.

Dr. Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several peer-reviewed papers on GCMs. He argues the Met Office climate models show there should have been "steady warming from 2000 until now."

"If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again," Scafetta said, "the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories."

Professor Judith Curry agrees. She is one of America’s most eminent climate experts and works at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

"The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings," Curry said. As for the lack of warmer in the last 15 years, she said that many scientists "are not surprised."

"When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled," Curry said. "The Pacific cycle ‘flipped’ back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years."

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists underestimate the importance of water cycles when considering global temperature trends.

"Doing so means admitting that the oceans - not CO2 - caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997," Brekke said.

The UK Met office disagrees, saying according to their numbers, the decade of the 2000's was the warmest on record and they believe the warming will continue soon. "What is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade of 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850. The ten year projection remains groundbreaking science. The complete period for the original projection is not over yet and these projections are regularly updated to take account of the most recent data."

"We’re now well into the second decade of the pause,’ said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. "If we don’t see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious."

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