Do you want Mcgrady back on the team for the vet min?

You want my feelings on Yao vs Tmac?

He represented the Rockets with more class than McGrady.
Yao's injuries were due to him playing hard and he was honest about them to the Rockets .
I felt sorry for Yao, I don't feel sorry for Tmac.

You can pretend you know what I think, that's what TOFs do, they pretend.

 

yeah just like you pretend to know how T-Mac got his injuries

geez whats with this obsession

 

The Rockets didn't even know . You want to go down this road? It's been very well documented here.

http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1515/adelman_i_had_no_idea_t-mac_was_out/
Adelman: I had no idea T-Mac was done
Rockets coach not happy, says first he heard McGrady news was through press
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 2009 2:57 PM CST
By Clutch
Copyright 2009 ClutchFans.net

 

I feel bored today, so yes I will go down that road. The article you cited was him announcing his micofracture surgery without notifying the team first, Which I agree was a totally irresponsible thing to do.

But that's not what we are talking about here. You keep avoiding the question. You stated you don't sorry for any of Tmac's injuries. So you either you think he faked all of his injuries, or didn't get some of his injuries from playing professional basketball for the Rockets, or you have no idea and are just assuming so because you hate him, or you are just an ass that doesn't give a **** about NBA players getting injured.

 

Keep making stuff up dude.

Find me that quote that I don't feel sorry for Tmac's injuries.

here's the quote that caused all the TOFs to have microfracture surgery

I don't feel sorry for Tmac. PERIOD.

We, me , you, the entire population of NBA fans, knew Tmac was injured. He had ample time to rehab and get ready. And he kept coming back and saying he was 100%. Remember?

You can pretend all you want what I think, and if it pisses you off then you technically pissed yourself off based on reading comprehension.

Oh I know where you can find where I said I don't feel bad for Tmac's injuries, it's located in the 2nd round of the playoffs threads that Tmac took us to.

 

In case you havent noticed I only have 800 or so posts since 2006, Im not here frequently.

That guy is a genius

 

I like that show too, you should tell you pal cuddie to dvr it.

 

Explain how it's laughable? Actually don't, you'll just embarrass yourself more.

Cute, trying to turn the tables again. Did you ever look up the word "charlatan" for me?

How does that misrepresent history? I stated the facts, and drew a parallel in that both their teams had greater post-season success after their departure to show the fault in your logic. Nowhere did I misrepresent history. It's not hard to "comprehend" how you could see it as such, since you're not exactly the brightest poster on here, but that doesn't make it right lol.

I see you still don't understand my point even though I've spelled it out for you every single time you ask.

So tell me, how does that not make sense?

Actually...it's mostly to explain my original point to you since you never got it. Here, in chronological order:

I'm rewriting history? No, I don't think that was it...

No, I don't think I was directly comparing them either...

I gave you four other examples, and asked you to elaborate on how they "weren't even close"

Well spluh, I'm responding to you dummy! And that's all you talk about!

I'm going to guess that you still haven't looked up post hoc ergo propter hoc, but that's okay. I mean, I explained it to you, but whatever. Keep going in circles...

Nope, I'm still not comparing the players directly and Moses being better helps my point...but you get a little sassy, which was adorable.

I get defensive because I know something is true and have readily admitted it to help my point? Come on man, that's a stretch even by your standards. And I did pick out Joe Smoe! Three of them! That's the beauty of it, because post hoc ergo propter hoc is a real fallacy and it's easy to prove wrong with many examples. Moses was chosen BECAUSE he is a Rockets legend--the opposite of McGrady--though others would have sufficed as well. I explained it earlier, but I guess you skipped that too... Oh well.

Nope, I don't think I ever called it a true comparison. Moses being better than Tracy was the whole point, because...

But yet here you are still, talking about the "comparison" that wasn't even a comparison, just a handy example to show you your fallacious argument.

LOL. Well this ties in with the next item...

Hahahahahahahaha. You're on the internet man, at least look it up instead of making yourself look like even more of a fool.

Uhhh....

You keep making this accusation and I keep asking you where I dodge facts. On this board? Where? Can you give me an example? Uh oh...I have a feeling this also ties in with the next item..

I'm glad you actually looked this up and copypasted. But from the looks of it, you still don't quite comprehend it if you're asserting that I'm dodging facts. Please show me, good sir.

Like I have been this entire time?

Haha, I doubt that. Asking the same inane set of questions over and over seems to be your strength.

I believe that was my second post on this thread.

A little later in the thread, but still the same premise that you don't understand, even now.

As a joke, but you also thought Mr. Clutch was serious when he said he prioritized 13 in 35 over playoff success. I bet you also think Dr. of Dunk believes Tracy is the greatest Rocket of all time? You are pretty dim I suppose.

Yes. I've said it multiple times, not sure how that's particularly damning especially to someone who doesn't even understand what it is lol.

I was going to sarcastically say yes...but expecting you to understand sarcasm is a bit much, I know. So no, I do not prioritize 13 in 35 over playoff success.

/systematically destroying you

Addendum: I see I've made it onto your signature. Even when you try to take my quotes out of context...they're not really shining a bad light on me. So I thank you for the tribute.

 

Tinman "You must pay the rent"

Cuddie "I can't pay the rent"

Tinman "You must pay the rent"

Cuddie "I can't pay the rent"

Tinman "You must pay the rent"

Cuddie "I can't pay the rent"

Rox fans everywhere "Groan"

DD

 

You're the last person on here who should be chastising others for repetitive nonsense.

 

I particularly like when people start responding to each other's posts with about 30 quotes and individual replies.

 

Fundamentally, I agree with you guys about the D&D-esque "discussion" that every McGrady thread eventually devolves into. Not a fan. Ironically, that's the whole reason I'm contributing to it, as I'm trying to end it by pointing out what I believe usually causes it.

McGrady discussion
[tinman/posse enters]
TOFs, remember the 90's, second round virgin
But 90's players had ______ as teammates, McGrady had _______ as teammates
You don't understand history, making excuses, how dare you TOF
Etc.

It's the same pattern every time and mostly why I consider tinman a troll. I can understand wanting to share Rockets history, but do you guys seriously believe that there are many active TOFs left on Clutchfans? I certainly can't name any.

As for the 30 quotes thing, talking to tcadriel is...something else. I genuinely think he doesn't understand what he's reading half the time since he keeps talking about things that I've already addressed or just making ridiculous claims. It's my fault for even talking to him at all, I know, but seriously read some of the stuff he posts and see if that doesn't make you feel for the collective IQ of this forum.

I love Clutchfans. I love that I can talk to other Rockets fans about current issues, stay informed, and occasionally delve into some good ol' nostalgia. But this thread is the embodiment of everything I hate about it. From the constant TOF talk to the fallacious arguments and infestation of arrogant charlatans, I felt compelled to (attempt to) do something about it.

What resulted was a ridiculously convoluted exchange that resulted in many posters simply focusing on an offhand example I used rather than the issue at hand. I thought we made some progress by page 17 (heh), but in comes tinman with more "he doesn't hold a candle to [old school player]" and TOF talk, and we're right back at square one.

Sigh.

 

I agree with you on tons of counts. I just pick my battles. I see that you REALLY, really picked this battle, though.

 

DD is a super star poster here.

You can't last one round against him. no matter how many times you try and what excuses you have. you can even change locations you won't win one round against DD!

 

Tmac can't tie Dwayne Wade's shoe laces. Hell he can't even slip on his flip flops.

And against King James? He's basically a court jester compared to him.


And Kobe? I think Tmac was created so he can call someone during the semifinals, conference finals or finals to water his lawn or feed his pets cause we sure know he ain't working at that time!

Hurray for the New School!

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Imagine this is the first round of the playoffs, he ain't never gonna leave!!

WOOO!!!

 

That's how I went about it historically, but it never changed anything. You would pick a battle and then a few weeks later the same crap comes up again. So I figured if I were going to fight one, I would jump in with both feet.

It's not so much a matter of difficulty as it is a test in endurance, and I had fully intended to see this one through no matter how many circles we were forced to run. If I let up, the inevitable "A ha! I'm right because you have nothing to say even though you already said it!" would only serve to further perpetuate the cycle.

If the opposition let up, I had hoped the TOF talk and the schism between Clutchfans would be at least somewhat curtailed. At the very least, perhaps people could just agree to disagree instead of "You dirty TOF get out of my face, tru3 r0ck3t f4nz 4 l1f3 pop culture reference" in every single thread.

Alas, I fear this will never be the case as demonstrated by the last three consecutive tinman posts. Pop culture references abound, McGrady can't do [menial task] for [other player], second round virginity, etc. Page 17 was the glimmer of false hope that signaled the inevitable return to purgatory.

Congratulations tinman, you have proven that your obsession with Tracy McGrady is incurable and that you are determined to turn every thread about him into a cesspool of derivative garbage. Bravo.

 

No I congratulate you for not being McGrady about this thread. Please do post more cause whatever you say isn't going change what really happened.

I mean, he's not coming back and whatever excuses you make for him, doesn't change the history book of failures.

I mean who's burned more bridges against his own teams and coaches?

Godzilla vs Tmac in bridge burning!

 

I have to hand to cuddie, he's really good at defending McGrady

Spoiler

He's like Matt Harpring!:grin:

hahahaha! woooooo! snap into a slim jim!!! what cha gonna do when Clutch-a-mania runs wild on you??!!!!

 

Hahahaa im being called a TOF, i was one of his biggest critics when he left the Rockets with all his bs and cry to the media for pity. Answer me this my friend.. did i or did i not SPECIFICALLY say i WILL NOT defend TMacs actions towards the end of his time with Houston... etc and then something along the lines of, he was one of the most talented Rockets in the history of the organization, however a lack of supporting role players, bad luck with fixed officiating, and numerous injuries to himself and the only other player on the team demanding any attention from defensive gameplans led to the WHAT IFS of the TMac era. No one here is constantly AGRREING to his faults, your arguments lack any logic or sense of education and it gets pretty annoying when you claim TOF fans have no knowledge of basketball when in fact your ignorance makes you look like a troll.

So lets disregard Tracy McGrady for not doing anything for the Rockets postseason accalades because he had no heart or desire and was simply a cancer. However, lets not disregard the fact that one of the playoff series in which they played a 4 seed was fixed by none other than... TD u got it. And lets not forget that we had allstar starters David Wesley and Ryan Bowen to compete against the likes of Dirk K. and Jason Terry. Despite all this, TMac still averaged about 30ppg 7rpg 7apg, smething close to that, and took the series to 7 games. Lets also forget basically the same team that played Utah with the addition of sixth man playoff hero.. the second coming of Sam Cassel: LUTHER HEAD. And the year after that... no Yao. Now i never defend Tracy's actions post injury and how he handled it. But it seems to me that from your last statement, you have no experience in 5A highschool sports or College basketball. Well let me help you understand. When you are the best play/athlete and perhaps the only playmaker on a team that depends on you for wins and losses that earn you playoff standings, you have to fight through these things like nagging injury problems that never heal, infact get worse exponentially if not rested for long periods of time, lower back pain being perhaps the worst one that an athlete can have (stays with you forever unless surgery is chosen, which if it is will lead to some big limitations in the things you can do post op because of the loss of disk tissue.) Tracy's back problems were well documented, however he played through his first year with the Rockets, most of the third, and all of the 4th (22 game win streak he looked terrible, he still fought on even though Yao was out and even had a 40 pt game against Utah in the playoffs.) Now good sir, what are your objections to the claims i make about my one and only favorite player, only player, exclusively fan based Tracy McGrady only fan club?