Do you want Mcgrady back on the team for the vet min?

No his only came as a result of bad genetics after years of carrying pitiful franchises.

 

What are you basing this on? Did you follow him throughout his career? Players dont get to his level without work ethic, you dont win the MIP without work ethic.

I know the differences, its their teammates, Tmac had a killer instinct till his body gave out. His leadership skills didnt determine his teams ultimate level of success. You can look at any random portion of any players career and find examples of great leadership and poor leadership.

Won consistently? What do you mean by that, Kobe didnt win consistently. Lots of great players havent.

 

Sampson was inefficient and wouldnt have gone anywhere without Dream, he was also never seen as an MVP caliber player and his recognition maxed out as a 2nd Teamer. Tmac at the same age as Sampson was already a multiple All-NBA First Teamer and a perennial MVP contender before his back began to diminish his game, scratch that, that status stayed with him long after that, he adapted his game and stayed relevant even after he lost his youthful legs

 

Ralph Sampson in his prime > Tmac in his prime

Ralph Sampson helped the Rockets beat the legendary Laker team with Magic Johnson.

Tmac sat in street clothes and cheered the Lakers to beat the Rockets.

 

Fanboys are just that, you do realize he has supporters beyond the fanboys right?

That you begin your factoid by brushing off the individuals level of play to the point of absolute worthlessness renders your so called fact worthless.

Aside from attaining a rare level of play, your right, very little.

Why would anyone care about the opinion of someone who strips away so much objective evidence? MVP status, All-NBA Selections, Skill level, Credible Metrics that actual GM's investigate. Its at the height of hubris to think all of this is worthless just because you say so.

A chronic overachiever who in his primes tend to lead teams beyond their talent level.

So? You could say the same for a variety of All-Time greats from day 1, some of them like MJ/Hakeem were trashing their FO even while still playing for them, and most of the time the players have good reason. In the case of Tmac he was in the right for leaving Orlando. He didnt trash Toronto.

Based on?

Hes proven alot, you just refuse to see it.

If he could regain some of his prior form, I would. But just because you wouldnt doesnt mean you should trash the guys career.

 

Ralph was NEVER heralded as such

Ralph Sampson HELPED but was not the driving force, how can you compare the team success of a lone Superstar to that an inefficient secondary option?

That wasnt Tmac in his prime

 

I'm looking for the greatest playoff moments of all time with tmac in it?
I could only find Sampson

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Well how can Tmac be a part of something when he didnt have Dream taking him there?

 

Use quantum leap technology and transport Tracy back in time.

 

That would be unfair to the 80's, as players of Tmacs ilk werent around (Long 220 Swings), he destroyed one of the most defensively dominant eras of his time, what do you think he does to the free flowing 80's?

 

If he were in the 80s, he could replace Willis on different strokes.

 

Actually, you should put Tmac in the era where there was no 3 point line. That would be like sticking him in limbo.

 

Pre 3PT era isnt basketball, Tmac would have never made it out alive in that bush league

 

Then Tmac would yell at the ref that he hit a 3 pointer, and the ref would look at him like he's crazy. The teams would not understand why on a fast break he would stop 25 feet away and jack up shots.


Damn, imagine if Tmac was in that era, Wilt Chamberlain could have scored 200 points on him!

 

Tracy was one of the greatest mid-range shooters in the business. Especially off a pick and roll.
Your arguments are so weak... Its unbelievable.
You're just as much of a fanboy as these TOFs you hate.

 

I heard he was pretty good at DNPs too.

so you really think he'd dominate in the era of Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West?

I am a fan..
of the Rockets.

 

Same could be said for Ralph.

 

True.
But I'm glad he showed up against the Lakers in the WCF.

 

I completely agree, nothing you achieve in your career in the past can justify quiting on your team and putting them in the situation he did (telling ESPN about injury before the staff).

Not entirely true, MJ could never make it past the first few rounds without Scottie, and finally to the finals without a well polished team and a hall of fame coach. Kobe never made it out of the 1st round without Shaq/Pau. Hakeem was the greatest center of all time imo and he still had all star and hall of fame supporting casts for most of his career. At one point McGrady has two starters in a playoff series against a top 4 team by the names of David Wesley and Ryan Bowen.. I agree with all the bs we had to put up with him in his declining years when his body broke down, but when he played healthy the guy played his heart out and did everything he could (at one point averaged 30 7 7 in the playoffs).

Cmon man, Sampson was second fiddle to the greatest center of all time, McGrady never had anyone who was allstar caliber (besides Yao who was abused in the playoffs with officiating, game plans that centered around us having no role players and shooters that could kill the double teams they threw at him, and fixed reffing). I still to this day believe if Juwan Howard hadnt gotten injured that year we would have made a deep deep push.

Smh, the guy would have abused the players back then. It was a completely different ball game, much more unathletic, less skilled, smaller players. Centers back then were an average height of about 6'4, do you think Wilt would do what he did back then in todays game? Not a chance.. and i believe if Mac played in the 60s he would probably average about 200 points a game, there was nobody like him... even close to him. That 3pt comment was kind of useless, the guy only hit about 2 threes a game, his midrange game and ability to create off the drive is what seperated him... along with his playmaking ability which was one of the reasons Chuck Hayes is currently on the team.

 

Signs of TOFing is when you start making up stuff.

Tracy McGrady was #4 twice in 3 point attempts and #9 in 05.
The Tracy McGrady I saw jacked it up.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcgratr01.html

3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
2002-03 NBA 448 (4)
2003-04 NBA 513 (4)
2004-05 NBA 435 (9)

TOFs, please stop insulting every generation of basketball.

We all know Julius Erving's Afro is better than Tracy McGrady the player.

If you transported Tracy into Space Jam instead of Jordan, the Aliens would win and Tracy would complain that he'd rather play with Yogi Bear instead of Bugs Bunny.