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Would a full season lockout be good or bad for the Rockets?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by larsv8, Aug 10, 2011.

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Is a full season lockout good or bad for the Rockets?

  1. Good, compared to other teams

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  2. Bad, compared to other teams

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    57.7%
  1. heypartner

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    yep, this
     
  2. Noob Cake

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    Good - Lowry will have a year to work on becoming the best point guard in the NBA
     
  3. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    In a league where the point is to actually play games (not necessarily win or lose them) a Lockout is good for no one. The league loses money in a lockout, players lose money, and the NBA as a whole looks like a joke.

    The Rockets are not an exception to this. This team is not a championship contending team, but at the same token if there is a lockout their possible draft rankings are still around 14th pick. That's not going to reform this team. Furthermore, young players going off and doing God knows what instead of training with the team doesn't help either. Essentially this team has to go through the motions, we need to win and lose a lot of games. There is no other workaround to it.

    Honestly, a lockout does nothing but make a mockery of this league. I really hope it ends soon.
     
  4. lalala902102001

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    It would be bad for the Rockets. We'd waste another year not rebuilding.
     
  5. nolimitnp

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    Kyle and Kevin just age a year and probably do not improve overseas. Luis is already as good as he's gonna be and he loses a step. The only player this could possibly benefit is Thabeet. The overseas competition is MUCH better than the D-League competition he would see. Again. The rest of the team we could bust up if you ask me.
     
  6. Dreamin

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    I can see a few positives if theres no 2011 season and we start at 2012. Here are a few:

    1. The landscape of the FA market will be completely different. There will be a lot more FAs and there for prices will be slashed. A few more Centers will be available on the FA market, someone called Dwight Howard will be there too. This will automatically reduce the price on the likes of NeNe, Chandler and Gasol.

    2. We can decline team options on all the 2009 rejects and clear up to $18 mil in salary. Bye Bye Thabeet - $6.5 mil, Flynn - $4.4 mil, Hill - $3.6 mil and T-Will at $3.4 Mil. It will be great when theres a new cap and great for FA shopping too.

    3. The trade market will be completely different too. Every player will have one year removed from their contract, making it that it much easier to trade. Martin will be in last year of his contract and Scola will have just two years left at $20 mil.

    Over all I think Houston would be in much superior position to improve the team if the lockout killed the whole season. IM sure there are other positives which I haven't mentioned.

    The only negative I can think of if the whole season was over is we woudl draft at 14 again. Whereas if we played 2011 there is no way we can make 9th seed again and we have a top 10 pick for guaranteed. New coaches and all the shuffling Morey will do with the players will affect the season. If there is a 2011 I see it as a tanking season.
     
  7. trueroxfan

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    anyone thing it would be at all beneficial for the rockets to rally on behalf of the players? in other words do you think any player would take into consideration if they heard that less was more inclined to settle in benefit of the players (regardless of validity). or do you think they wouldn't even notice, let alone care
     
  8. Fullcourt

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    Losing a season, where we would have to make decisions on whether to exercise our option on multiple players, some of which we haven't seen play? That would be bad.
     
  9. trueroxfan

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    would a free agent take that into consideration is what i'm asking
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    Our chance of winning a championship in '11-'12 would go from almost zero to zero. So, it's bad.
     
  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    They will play overseas and everyone else is in the same boat really. Guys who get a year older aren't going to be the better for it.

    If the draft gets canceled and a lot of players in college opt to play another year, it means the 2013 draft will be stacked.
     
  12. amaru

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    As others have mention, this would be bad.

    We have alot of young players..and we could use high lotto picks to get that superstar talent. Also we can't trade for anybody if there is a lockout.
     
  13. mrjohn

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    It would be good if we kept our pick and got the knicks pick as well. Is that possible? Under what scenarios?
     
  14. dobro1229

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    If there was no 2011/2012 season then the 2012 NBA draft would most likely follow the route that the NHL took when they lost a full season a few years ago. Average out wins of the past 3 to 5 seasons to determine draft order. Lowest wins gets the first pick, etc.

    Without doing any reseach I would expect the Rockets to average somewhere between 45 to 48 wins either way. Most likely making losing out on the lottery just barely and losing their own 2012 pick to New Jersey in the Terrence Williams trade since the pick is lottery protected.

    However, the Knicks pick would be much much better because the past two or three seasons prior to last year would give the Knicks pick much more value. So at least thats one positive out it. Would you rather have two picks between 14 and 20 or the 7th or 8th pick in the draft???... yeah id take the 8th pick in the draft myself.

    The only scenario in which the Rockts would keep their 2012 first round pick and the Knicks pick is if there IS a season and the Rockets did not make the playoffs. This would give them probably the 14th pick and the 20th pick. Scrap the season due to the lockout and they lose the 14th pick but the 20th pick most likely moves up to the 7th or the 10th pick in the draft.
     
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    If we lost the whole season and did the lottery like the NHL draft when they lost a full season, the odds would be like this:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/31517/what-a-canceled-season-could-mean-for-the-draft

    4 out of 50 ping pong balls for us.
     
  16. mrjohn

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    [QUOTE=dobro1229

    Dobro, thanks for responding. I thought it the average of 3 years.

    Can that be confirmed? If true, what's the likelihood under those conditions.

    I have a lot of faith in Moreys drafting ability. I think with the 14th and 20th like your example mentions - Morey could grab 2 of the top 10-15 players of the draft. Just looking at draft express, I'd rather have Terrence Jones (he'd have to slide a spot) and Jeremy Lamb (6'5 w/ 7ft wingspan, potential replacement for Martin or Lee) than Patric Young. Obviously, in a year prospects can change drastically. To me it depends on the spread between the lotto pick and the two other picks.

    Under my scenario we could package Scola and Martin for a prime time player as well.
     
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    Cleveland just got a #1 and #4 pick.

    Screw Utah.
     

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