Do you want Mcgrady back on the team for the vet min?

Although I was a fan of his while he was here, he seemed to burn his bridge with the Rockets organization. Only he and the Rockets know the real deal on what went down, but it seems like even if it could be done, it wouldn't.

 

Did I ever say I believed McGrady was a top 50 player of all time? You and the circular argument brigade can't seem to read. I simply stated that another poster claimed it so, and you replied by first saying that no "r3al r0ck3ts f4n" should care about players from other teams. You then proceeded to list NON-ROCKET PLAYERS with one Hakeem Olajuwon being the exception, proving your lack of "r3al r0ck3t f4nd0m" by caring about non-Rocket players.

It's convenient how the mythical "TOFs" can't talk about a player during his non-Rocket days to help their argument, while you're allowed to talk about players THAT WERE NEVER ROCKETS in helping yours.

You just undid your own point right there. Coincidence that when he played well, the Magic won, and when he played poorly, the Magic lost? I don't see how that is an indicator of how good his team is...

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=1992_1044550

And yet we all agree, myself included, that Hakeem is the greatest Rocket of all time. He went on to win two championships with the Rockets before demanding a trade to Toronto. But we can all forgive and forget, simply because the good memories outweigh the bad.

You can claim all you want that McGrady "took a **** on the legacy of the Houston Rockets." I don't think legacy is defined as a regular season 20-point blowout in Toronto, but since Tracy never got a chance to make up for his mistakes, I suppose that will always be his defining moment in the eyes of many a "fan." Just know that what he and Hakeem did were quite similar, the difference being that Hakeem has had a lot more success in a Rockets uniform.

For the record, I don't want Tracy back for the vet min.

 

^ Deserved rep incoming.

 

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"How good his team was" wasn't the point...the point was his inconsistency was due to mental weakness...losing 3 games in a row(by an average of 20 points) while playing much worse that he was the first 3 games of the series shows that. He just needed 1 game out of three to clinch...but his mouth and lack of discipline (like always) screwed him out of finishing the job. In the prime of his career he even showed how he can't handle the pressure and folds...hell, later on even with all his post-season experience he still showed that he never learned how to consistently raise his game in the post season...yeah, he'll have a great game here and there, but when he HAS to win, he folds like a cheap tent. There is a reason he never made it out of the first round...how many times are you going to blame his sucky teammates when it goes 6-7 games and he sucks in the final games?

 

I've said this a lot, but if you just look at the averages you are using numbers to disguise the truth. He played great the first 3 games...almost Jordan-esque(almost), but then his game went into decline mode after that and his team lost 3 in a row...BADLY. He had similar results in Houston...do you think that's coincidence? Seriously?

 

I don't understand why we choose not to hold Yao Ming to the same measuring sticks as McGrady when it comes to the playoffs. If it's McGrady's fault we didn't beat the Mavericks or Jazz, it must also be Yao's fault. Yet we don't hate him for that.

It must be for other reasons then, and it is. Yao helped us beat Portland with a much different team, and given his tragic end he is all but guaranteed a place in Clutchfans reverence - whereas given Tracy's piss-poor 2009-10 attitude, Tinman and his militia have banished McGrady to Clutchfans hell and erased what good there ever was. Now, we're just using the playoffs as an excuse to heap more hate on McGrady, because it's funner to embellish and criticize him for never winning even though it came at the expense of our own team. No thanks. I respect what he did when he was on the court. The guy wanted to win, the fire was there, and I, as a true Rockets fan, loathed the defeats of our team just like he did. All of this bullsh** "90's fans are smarter" and 'Hakeem is a demigod who never had a bad day' sidebars are just romanticized crap (and I idolize Hakeem Olajuwon who shouldn't even have a reason to be mentioned in this thread; yet certain 90's puritan zealots can't have a TMac conversation without dragging him into it. Hint: he has 21 posts in this, and most other TMac threads).

And here's proof of what I voted when the thread first started:

 

Everyone deserves a second chance...

I mean he DID lead my NBA 2k11 Team to a Championship, so you never know....

 

It goes 6-7 games BECAUSE of him. Please don't tell me that you think that a Gordon Giricek-led Orlando team would have made it that far against the Pistons without McGrady. I'm arguing that his inconsistency, which may be due to mental weakness, was greatly exacerbated by him being encumbered with too heavy a load to carry.

Do you really think it's only his mouth and lack of discipline that made him lose the last three games? What about the strain of singlehandedly carrying a team against adapting defenses, coupled with pressure and fatigue?

Look, I'm not disputing whether or not Tracy could handle those situations, because it's obvious from what happened that he couldn't. I'm just saying that you can't pin it all on mental weakness, because most players you put into those situations would fold long before he did...which is also up for dispute. He dropped 37, 11, and 5 in Game 6. Next leading scorer? Gordon Giricek ...with 12 points. One guy can only do so much.

 

Rockets fans. The Dream was a reality.
Tracy fans. They won't wake up from their dream.

It's that simple.

 

LOL on this video response.

 

Did someone really say that the Magic reached Game 7 against the Pistons because of the players around T-Mac. That's just hilarious. His teams sucked. He was great.

It's like blaming Lebron from Cleveland's losses.

 

It doesn't matter if it's the 80s, 90s, 70s, 2ks, or the future.

Here's a snapshot of them in the future.



advanced lifeform: "I'm sorry, we could not find history in your world that Tmac ever brought glory to any team he played for, in fact, he was vastly inferior to Kobe Bryant"

TOF: "but mr Alien, T-mac was always on sucky teams, it wasn't his fault!"

 

So you're saying that r3al r0ck3t f4nz in the future wouldn't be from this world, and wouldn't watch NBA basketball? That they would have to look it up in "this world's" history?

 

What's funny is that his teams weren't good enough, but they advanced past the 1st round while Tracy and his over sized contract was in street clothes. Lol.

He was a big mistake and I regret his every minute in a Rockets uniform.

Before- "It's on me....".
After- "It was never on me." Tracy

He's quick to take credit, but could never except the blame. Typical mind set of a loser.

The reason Yao was never called out for the Rockets failures was because everyone knew he left it all on the court. Where as Tracy half stepped it and jogged from 3pt line to 3pt line. Then you take into account his work ethnic, his failures, lack of success(for every team he played for), the many times he put his foot in his mouth and his me, me, me, me attitude.

As a Houstonian, we appreciate players that accept the blame and past the praise to his teammates. Players like Hakeem, who will always be a Rocket and a Houstonian. Long live The Dream!!

 

Have you seen that movie? You would understand the reference better.

 

Well, since I'm not tinman, my life doesn't revolve around pop culture and Tracy McGrady.

 

You regret every moment of T-Mac in Houston? Wow.

Then there's no point of even of debating.