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[Official] Reds @ Astros

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. juicystream

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    That translates to 6-7 starts remaining, which takes him to the first week of September. Get your tickets now (or more appropriately, don't wait for a game beyond the 1st week in September, since they won't sell out).
     
  2. msn

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    The next intelligent thing I hear him say will be the first intelligent thing I hear him say.

    I'll still take him, however, over that Josh Innes guy. That duo has surpassed the "Monsters of the Midday" drivelfest as the most unlistenable garbage to ever grace Houston's radio waves.
     
  3. No Worries

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    I was guessing 150-160 innings limit. I see absolutely no value add after 150 innings.
     
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    One thing about demoting Happ, does the guy have options left? I know he has been horrible this season but it's way to early to give up on a relatively young LH starter. If he has options then he should have been sent to the minors at the break but if not, then it maybe something that we're just going to have to survive until he fixes whatevers wrong.
     
  5. TheChosenOne

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    Josh Innes is awful.
     
  6. TheChosenOne

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    It's be an aberration year for sure for him. He should have been sent down at the break, but I don't think he'll get it together anytime this season. He's a lost cause.
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    Why 150?
     
  8. BrooksBall

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    I thought Bogusevic was gonna jump over Altuve.
     
  9. juicystream

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    Happ still has options. Wade said a month ago that they weren't even considering sending him down.
     
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    please stop swinging at the first pitch every time Altuve!!
     
  11. BrooksBall

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    I don't wanna dig through the other thread... was there any further word on why they chose not to sell high on Barmes? Did Wade comment on it?
     
  12. BrooksBall

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    The patience will come. He'll see a lot of pitches to hit early on. If he does enough damage, pitchers will be more careful. I think he'll also learn to adjust when he realizes that he can't do as much with certain pitches as he could at the lower levels.
     
  13. juicystream

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    Likes his veteran presence. Thinks he sets a good example for young players.

    I don't mind keeping him, especially if he stays next year and becomes a type B FA. I'm doubtful he will take a one year deal though. Don't know if he is capable of sneaking into B level at the end of this season.
     
  14. BrooksBall

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    There you go... 1st walk.
     
  15. BrooksBall

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    I was wondering if the presence was the factor. Couldn't see any other logical reason. There had to be interest.

    He's quite a ways below Type B (5 points pretty big margin) and he's hitting well over his head. I'd say the odds are pretty slim for this season and maybe even next if he regresses offensively like you would expect a 33-year-old to do.
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    I don't think we will ever get more from him than we could've before this deadline in terms of tangible assets. If the intangibles seem worth it to Wade, so be it.
     
  17. BrooksBall

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    On the positive side, despite his age, it seems like he has another year or so of plus defense in him. Teams may like that enough to give up something minor, even if he is used as a utility guy or something.
     
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    Elias projects Skip Shumaker as a Type B, and Barmes is better than him. If he had been a starter last year, and not been injured in spring training, he would probably be Type B.
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    Schumaker is already a Type B at the moment. He's also a significantly better hitter for his career... about 20 points higher of an OPS+. He's also a year younger. He does play 2B but I don't know how they differentiate in that area. Also, do they factor in defense in those ratings? If so, I could see Barmes being better. If not, I don't. Regardless, I don't see Barmes making up 5 points with this amount of time left in the season, esp. if you factor in the likely regression. Even if he maintains his current level, I'm not sure he'd make it.
     
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    Defense is taken into account (Fielding % and Total Chances). Career numbers don't matter. Only the last 2 years, in which Barmes has been a better offensive player.

    It will be close, IMO, and the Elias Rankings don't always match exactly with MLBTradeRumors. Of course we will see at the end of the season.
     

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