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IMO: Really disgusting behavior from "Islamic" Extremists in the UK

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'No p*rn or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
By Rebecca Camber

Last updated at 1:50 AM on 28th July 2011

Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.
Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’

The bright yellow messages daubed on bus stops and street lamps have already been seen across certain boroughs in London and order that in the ‘zone’ there should be ‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no p*rn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol’.

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility for the scheme, saying he plans to flood specific Muslim and non-Muslim communities around the UK and ‘put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term’.
In the past week, dozens of streets in the London boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham have been targeted, raising fears that local residents may be intimidated or threatened for flouting ‘Islamic rules’.

Choudary, who runs the banned militant group Islam4UK, warned: ‘We now have hundreds if not thousands of people up and down the country willing to go out and patrol the streets for us and a print run of between 10,000 and 50,000 stickers ready for distribution. ‘There are 25 areas around the country which the Government has earmarked as areas where violent extremism is a problem.

‘We are going to go to all these same areas and implement our own Sharia-controlled zones.

‘This is the best way for dealing with drunkenness and loutishness, prostitution and the sort of thug life attitude you get in British cities.’

The former lawyer added: ‘This will mean this is an area where the Muslim community will not tolerate drugs, alcohol, p*rnography, gambling, usury, free mixing between the sexes – the fruits if you like of Western civilisation.

‘We want to run the area as a Sharia-controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.’

Scotland Yard is now working with local councils to remove the posters and identify those responsible for putting them up.

Choudary said he was organising a protest against the Far Right in Waltham Forest this weekend following last Friday’s killing spree in Norway by anti-Islamic gunman Anders Breivik.

He said: ‘We are going to put the events in Oslo on the agenda. We are going to be marching and addressing this issue. It is a whole new scenario now. The Muslim community needs to be vigilant. There is an undercurrent against Islam.

‘I do believe a Norway-style attack could happen here.’
The campaign comes just months after stickers proclaiming a ‘gay-free zone’ and appearing to reference the religious Islamic text of the Koran appeared in Tower Hamlets.

Women in parts of East London including Tower Hamlets have been threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists if they did not wear headscarves.

James Brandon, of the anti-extremism think-tank the Quilliam Foundation, which has dubbed the intimidation the work of ‘Talibanesque thugs’, said: ‘This is a small group which is not representative of these communities.
‘It’s great news that the police have decided to investigate this. This has the potential to divide communities and upset people.’
Yesterday the leader of Waltham Forest Council, Chris Robbins, said: ‘As soon as we heard about these posters we worked over the weekend to take them all down.

‘Since then we have been going through our CCTV images and working with the police to try to identify the culprits. Our policy is to use the full extent of our powers to prosecute any offenders.

‘People should not get the wrong idea about our borough because a handful of small-minded idiots, who do not live here, decide to deface our streets with ridiculous posters.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...a-law-zones-British-cities.html#ixzz1TONQXhNd
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I've noticed for some time now that the extremist islamists in the UK have a far more colonial approach to Islam. Always talking about establishing an Emirate or having a state within a state. Why not just contribute to your state??

It must be really embarrassing that such a person could become a public figure for Islam, despite his known limitations. His popularity is ridiculous.

#1 Mathloom, Jul 28, 2011

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I just don't get religious extremist at all. Stupid things like this and the Texas school board drive me nuts.

#2 rockbox, Jul 28, 2011
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I think I know where the next Slut Walk should take place.

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He's going to get Muslims hurt doing stuff like that.

#4 JuanValdez, Jul 28, 2011
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He just set back anglo-arab relations a good century.

#5 da_juice, Jul 28, 2011
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If they're not naturalized citizens, then deport every one of them who commits even the smallest crime in the name of this sort of extremism.

Meanwhile, I encourage all Westerners to stroll through those neighborhoods buck-naked while drinking from a fifth of whiskey and masturbating to p*rn. (It's called multi-tasking).

#6 thadeus, Jul 28, 2011
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I declare this forum a Sharia zone!

NO MORE SINGING AND POSTING WHEN YOU'RE NAKED, goddammit it.

(Vida Guerra booty pics still provisionally allowed)

oh, wait, is swearing allowed in er...sharia zones?

#7 Northside Storm, Jul 28, 2011

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Why do they feel the need to force their values on others? They came to another nation by choice, no one asked them to come, why they cannot follow the rules of that nation?

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He's going to get Muslims hurt doing stuff like that.
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But it will be for the greater good...

#9 Big MAK, Jul 28, 2011
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This is just Anjem Choudary being Anjem Choudary. The man is a buffoon and media w****, and it's unsurprising that he continues to garner media attention through outlandish initiatives like the one being discussed.

Salon.com has done a good job of covering him:

Fox's favorite Muslim radical:

Fox's favorite Muslim radical
How the media is enabling a buffoonish -- and notoriously press-hungry -- extremist
By Justin Elliott

Fox
Sean Hannity and Anjem Choudary face off.On Thursday, the radical Muslim and veteran provocateur Anjem Choudary plans to hold a demonstration in front of the White House calling for an extreme form of sharia to reign in America.

Whether the protest actually goes forward -- there's a real chance it won't, if Choudary's past stunts are any guide -- doesn't really matter. Choudary, who is known for applauding terrorism and calling for stonings of gay people and the overthrow of democratic governments, has already logged several appearances on Fox and CNN, generated a bunch of articles in the right-wing press, and even prompted a member of Congress to demand that he be banned from the country. All that in the last month.

Choudary is a London-based preacher who has over the past decade become the face of radical Islam in the British press -- especially in the tabloids, and even more especially the right-wing papers owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. -- despite having no religious credentials and virtually no public support. In fact, according to those who have tracked his career in Britain, Choudary is wholly a press creation.

"He's a media w****," says Mehdi Hasan, a senior editor at the New Statesman who has covered Choudary. "There are real Islamist groups that can get crowds together but his is not one of them. He doesn't have the numbers to make good on his claims. What he does have is a media that's very happy to play the game with him."

Now, Choudary, 43, is using the same formula -- making deliberately offensive statements and trumpeting plans for provocative demonstrations -- in the United States, where the media has proved all too willing to accommodate him. He can be understood as the Muslim analogue of Terry Jones, the obscure Florida preacher who created an international controversy last year with plans for a "Burn the Quran Day." He is a radical with minuscule public support, but one who can, given enough free airtime, do real-world damage.

Last month on Fox Sean Hannity had a sparring match with the preacher that ended with Hannity calling him "one sick, miserable, evil SOB." (It's worth noting that Fox has the same parent company, News Corp., as some of the U.K. tabloids that obsessively cover Choudary.) Here's a taste of the exchange:

Two weeks later, Choudary was back on the network, where an angry Gretchen Carlson told him that "I can tell you one thing, Americans don't want sharia law." Adam Serwer has argued that Choudary is, for Fox, a "cartoonish buffoon who can be counted on to confirm every stereotype about Islam and Muslims."

But it's not just Fox. Late last year Eliot Spitzer had Choudary on CNN and heroically derided him as a "violent and heinous terrorist." In February, Spitzer hosted him again to argue that the revolution in Egypt was an "Islamist uprising." Choudary has also been on programs with ABC's Christiane Amanpour and CNN's Fareed Zakaria.

So where did Choudary come from? Born and raised in Britain, his rise to prominence came as the right-hand man of Omar Bakri, a founder of the extremist group Al Muhajiroun. Like Choudary today, Bakri was a press-hungry provocateur, but he also played a role "in the radicalization of some young men," according to the BBC. Bakri left the U.K. for Lebanon after the 7/7 bombings in 2005. The British government has since barred him from re-entering the country, and Bakri has been charged in Lebanon with forming a militant group to undermine the government there.

In Bakri's absence, Choudary became the leader of Al Muhajiroun's successor group, Islam4UK. Both were proscribed in 2010 under a British law that allows for groups to be banned if they "unlawfully glorify the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism."

(Choudary has not always been so devout. The Daily Mail published an exposé last year revealing that, while he was student at Southampton University, he had been a hard-partier who gambled, drank, used drugs, looked at p*rn and had sex with Christian women. The paper had pictures to prove most of the charges.)

When I spoke to Choudary Tuesday, he refused to discuss how many followers he had, beyond claiming that he can attract 150 people to his lectures. "I'm not going to give you details of our administration," he said. But according to Inayat Bunglawala, a Muslim commentator who is involved in combatting extremism in Britain, Choudary's record for getting large numbers of people to turn out to events is thin. Bunglawala points to a 2009 demonstration at a parade in the town of Luton in which Choudary and his cohort held signs assailing British troops returning from Iraq as "butchers" and "terrorists."

Choudary and some of his followers had advertised the event by leafletting for a week among the 20,000-strong Muslim population in the town, says Bunglawala, who has closely tracked Choudary's career. But the turnout was vanishingly small. "Literally only 20 people showed up and yet they got the front pages of just about every right-wing tabloid the next day. Even the BBC gave them a lot of coverage on that." Bunglawala observes: "It's almost a symbiotic relationship between Choudary and the right-wing papers."

Choudary also has a long history of publicizing demonstrations that never actually happen. In 2009, for example, he planned a "March for Sharia" in central London that drew widespread press attention. The promotional effort included Photoshopped images of what Buckingham Palace and Trafalgar Square would look like under Choudary's vision of the caliphate, with minarets and the like. But at the last minute, he canceled the event, claiming threats from right-wing groups.

None of this has stopped the tabloids from regularly calling Choudary to weigh in on pretty much anything in the news. There is, for example, this typical lead from a recent Daily Star piece: "Hate preacher Anjem Choudary last night urged a Muslim uprising against the royal wedding ... He said it would be against Islam for Muslims to celebrate the nuptials."

Choudary does his part by making himself extremely easy to reach; his mobile phone number is posted all over his website and he responded to my e-mail seeking an interview in just a few hours. He even once agreed to have a bull session over milkshakes with Vice Magazine, which noted his favorite flavor is chocolate.

Now, in advance of the planned "Shariah4America" demonstration in Washington, Choudary is following a familiar script. His group has posted images online of the White House with minarets and the Statue of Liberty wearing a veil. It's not hyperbole to say that everything he does is for media consumption. When I asked him about a 2003 episode in which Al Muhajiroun unveiled posters hailing the Sept. 11 hijackers as the "Magnificent 19," Choudary was candid: "It was a media ploy in order to attract the attention of the media and the general public about why such things take place."

Whether or not the demonstration actually happens Thursday, the Choudary phenomenon is at least as much about the laziness -- and, arguably, irresponsbility -- of the media as it is about Islam. Says terrorism analyst Daveed Gartenstein-Ross: "One lesson from our experience with would-be Quran burner Terry Jones is that when fringe or relatively fringe figures ... are given a great amount of media exposure, it generally increases their power rather than diminishing it. Unfortunately, the media either has not absorbed that lesson, or else does not want to."

UPDATE 3/3/11: The White House rally was, predictably, canceled.

Justin Elliott is a Salon reporter. Reach him by email at jelliott@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @ElliottJustin More: Justin Elliott
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Pro-sharia rally at White House

Pro-sharia rally at White House canceled
Radical Muslim TV personality Anjem Choudary fools the media yet again Video
By Justin Elliott

YouTube screen shotA rally calling for an extreme version of sharia to reign in America has been canceled by its organizer, British publicity hound Anjem Choudary.

Earlier this week I profiled Choudary, a fringe figure with no public support and a long history of planning provocative events, garnering huge press attention, then not following through. So the cancellation is not a surprise. Nor is it particularly surprising that right-wing media outlets like Fox, the Daily Caller, and WorldNetDaily dutifully provided exhaustive coverage of Choudary's rally.

Here's Glenn Beck a few days ago claiming that Choudary's rally proves all of Beck's theories about the coming caliphate to be true. "Do you think this is not the moment that I've been saying for five years?" Beck asks.

Ironically, anti-sharia protesters showed up at the White House today anyways (here is the guy who wanted to burn the Quran last year, Terry Jones). Writes Adam Serwer:

Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy seized on the rally, announcing a counter press conference "warning of threat of Shariah law to the Constitution." Now, in a cruel, ironic twist of fate, the foil they were promised will be absent. It's practically a metaphor for the entire sharia panic in the first place.

Will the media learn its lesson and avoid falling for Choudary's tricks again? One can hope.

Justin Elliott is a Salon reporter. Reach him by email at jelliott@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @ElliottJustin More: Justin Elliott
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#10 HorryForThree, Jul 28, 2011

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So, this guy is basically the muslim version of Glenn Beck. Great, we needed more idiots in the media.

#11 thadeus, Jul 28, 2011
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So, this guy is basically the muslim version of Glenn Beck. Great, we needed more idiots in the media.
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Glenn Beck: Hey Chaudry, I got a great idea to make you famous and get me more goldline sucke....I mean customers!

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I presume this guy has no legal basis in which to enforce his Sharia zone.

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So, this guy is basically the muslim version of Glenn Beck. Great, we needed more idiots in the media.
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This is is the first I've heard of this guy and he does almost sound like the extreme Islamist boogie man that is frequently brought up.

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This is is the first I've heard of this guy and he does almost sound like the extreme Islamist boogie man that is frequently brought up.
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http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=194970&highlight=Choudary

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good effing god this guy has got to be a real-life troll. No one can possibly be stupid enough to have "Sharia zones" in f***ing London.. It's Herman Cain's dream come true.. Good god I'm amazed. No, I refuse to believe this guy is legit. Has got to be trolling/getting paid from some one to smear us.

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good effing god this guy has got to be a real-life troll. No one can possibly be stupid enough to have "Sharia zones" in f***ing London.. It's Herman Cain's dream come true.. Good god I'm amazed. No, I refuse to believe this guy is legit. Has got to be trolling/getting paid from some one to smear us.
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He is far from the only one like that. There is a guy in Germany called Pierre Vogel (aka Abu Hamza) who is basically just like that.

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I declare this forum a Sharia zone!

NO MORE SINGING AND POSTING WHEN YOU'RE NAKED, goddammit it.

(Vida Guerra booty pics still provisionally allowed)

oh, wait, is swearing allowed in er...sharia zones?
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Swearing is allowed, redundancy is not.

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I have no words. Quite funny actually.

This guy should just be deported to some remote place in Antarctica along with all of his followers (if he has any?). Then they can be free to follow whatever ancient Islamic BS laws they wish to follow.

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Meanwhile, I encourage all Westerners to stroll through those neighborhoods buck-naked while drinking from a fifth of whiskey and masturbating to p*rn. (It's called multi-tasking).
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While eating a slice of pepperoni pizza.

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