Congrats, you just out-homered everybody else. TDs matter when a WR has over 200 of them, and no other WR has 150. And Tim Brown played in 2 AFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. AJ has yet to even sniff the playoffs.
TDs aren't the whole story, but they are a part. Moss & Owens have found the endzone plenty of times. I'd rank their careers over AJ's, but of course they have a number of years on AJ, so he could certainly surpass them. It is an argument for AJ not actually getting into the HOF, but not that he isn't deserving. It is an argument that the voters are idiots, and that he could fall victim to that stupidity.
Randy Moss and TO both have over 150 TDs. Both crossed that mark last year. They are tied for 2nd in receiving TDs at 153, but TO has 3 rushing as well. Edit: And Chris Carter & Tim Brown are no longer 2 & 3 in the major categories anymore. Harrison passed them both in receptions. Plenty of people have moved ahead of Carter in yards, and Brown has been passed by Owens & Issac Bruce of all people. Still they deserve enshrinement for ranking so high at their retirement, and still remaining in near to top in the 3 major receiving categories.
Jerry Rice played with: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia (when he was really good) and MVP Rich Gannon. For the vast majority of his career he was playing with HOF level QBs (Gannon's time with Oakland was HOF type production). Andre has played most of his career at WR getting balls from below average QBs and spent the first part of his career on a Texans team that was so afraid of turnovers and losing the clock battle that they didn't believe in big plays.
If you want to judge talent the AJ is the perfect wide reciever but Rice is the Greatest to put on the pads. Stop arguing and wait another 6 seasons.
No, you've got the corner on that one, baby. Keep defending that sick joke on the left coast. It's comical to see someone who normally posts with sound logic get so girlishly lovesick. Yes. In other news, water is wet. Of course, no one argued they didn't matter. Just that using TDs as the only is stupid. Which it is. Rice is in a class by himself. by the way (perhaps your homer glasses missed the part where I stated that?)--but for more reasons than TD numbers. your point was? Brown belongs in the Hall. Do you disagree? He belongs there regardless of his team's success or general lack thereof. It's a team game, but the Hall is for individuals, and Brown is among the best individuals of all time. Your point was? AJ can't get his POS team past bad coaching and bad QB play and historically bad defense. When it's all done, barring some tragedy, the guy will be up there among the second tier of all-time greats. A notch below Rice.
i'd actually put holt in the HOF, one of the most underrated players of his genaration. i have a cool story bro about picking him my first fantasy league year and him carrying me to championship the year they won it all, but i'm not getting into that. let's just say i stole him, dude tore up fla st in college and off that one game i knew he was the truth
i'm really torn. It's hard to choose anyone over Jerry Rice. He is the greatest WR of all time. He earned that respect with his amazing career. That being said, TDs arent the be all end all here. It's short sighted to just look at the total and not consider all of the factors. Jerry played for one of the best NFL coaches of all time in a well defined system with other more than capable offensive players and arguable the greatest passer. That doesn't take anything away from what he did but it's a much different scenario from what the texans offered.
on jerry rice's side, like i said earlier, and its getting lost here, he was physically the andre johnson of his era. people forget how much bigger he was than dbs, jerry was like 6'2" and the avg db was 5'9" and he was faster.
indeed. Rice had an incredible work ethic. Great physical conditioning, worked on routes and other drills every year like he was still trying to make the team, student of the game, the whole package. Dude just had it all.
I don't know about that. Rice was never as physically imposing as AJ is. According to wikipedia, his 40 time was in the 4.7s (which is very slow), and his vertical wasn't that impressive either. I don't know how Jerry did it (great hands, excellent technique, and the HOFer QBs didn't hurt either), but he did it without being the most physically gifted guy of his day, that's for sure, which is all the more impressive.
but you're comparing AJ to Rice like some have compared Lebron to Jordan. No one has said anything about comparing eras.
I'm not comparing AJ to Rice. I'm comparing Rice to his peers, and AJ to his. AJ is a lot more physically gifted compared to his peers than Rice was to his, but he succeeded anyway. Which is all the more remarkable.
I like what you said earlier, reeko: sit back and wait 6 years. I would predict he'll end up in the 2nd tier of all-time greats and not quite Rice, but no one knows until then. Like someone else said though: even if the comparison is silly, the fact that it would occur to anyone's mind to bring it up speaks volumes of AJ.
