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Oslo bomb: suspicion falls on Islamist militants

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Agreed, the degree of evil and cold-blooded planning that went into this is just incomprehensible.
     
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    Apparently, he gathered the kids together, and then started unloading.

    I kept putting myself in the kid's shoes and think what I would've done. And I think would've probably died.
     
  3. Qball

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    When the giffords thing happened, I wasn't even around to post until later. In that thread, this also happened: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5866584&postcount=115

    And my 2 threads, do have a comment or question (request) in the OP, one-liner or not. The first one I said "Check out the interactive map and post your predictions in the above format. Your chance at braggin rights ends at 5pm central." i.e. asking folks what their opinion was. A big LOL at how much you're reaching there. 2nd link I stated that majority (white americans) feel threatened by the fact that they will be the majority. I'm sure you any person with with some intellect figured that one out.

    Anyway, there's no way I can prove one way or another what your motive was for posting it without ANY comments. Maybe it is a miracle and you actually didn't post it because it was purportedly linked to Islam. If so, I would like to apologize. But jeebus, the odds stacked against you on your own accord...
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I can honestly say that I would have posted it regardless. I find it equally terrible, no matter whether the perpetrator was an Islamist or a Neo-Nazi. I also picked a random article out of many, and its headline.
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    LOL, you complaining about someone else being condescending? Wow. That's rich. Aren't you the posterboy for the rolleyes smiley around here?

    Islam isn't a race, but even if you wanted equate the two, they're not even close when it comes to statistical probability. If you want to get all pissy because people make assumptions based on overwhelming odds, then go right ahead. That seems like a silly waste of breath and anger though, but based on your posting history, that's probably right up your alley.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    The lists I've seen account for terrorism based on motivation (i.e. was a religious motive established), not based on just whether somebody *was* Muslim/Christian/etc.
     
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    The LRA committed these atrocities and others to try to establish "a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition."

    That seems to be a religious motivation to me.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    I'm not speaking of towards that particular incident, just acts in general. I'm not sure why they wouldn't include the LRA, but it might have something to do with the fact it is a standing militia, part of a political/statehood movement, or some other factor. Like you hinted at, it boils down to your criteria for classification.
     
  10. Honey Bear

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    Seconding this... any links to details would be appreciated.

    RIP to all those involved. I admit I assumed it was Islamists when I first heard the news.
     
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    Now they are saying a second person might have been involved
     
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    It seems like there should be. The amount of coordination and planning - which this monster seemed to have, no doubt - would almost be too much for one person. Parking a car bomb and then having it go off while you're on an island murdering children seems to be too much for one person.
     
  13. IBTL

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    trust me we know
     
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    It just goes to show you how anyone can be super-duper *****ed in the head. :(
     
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    I'll admit, it doesn't seem that difficult to me.

    Make car bomb, drive car, set bomb off, head to island while putting on police uniform, shoot kids who can't get away because they're stuck on an island. Requires some coordination, but nothing extraordinary, which makes it all the more disgusting.
     
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    I think what also aided him is that he was dressed as a police officer, which allowed him to tell them where to stand. It makes me feel like vomiting even saying it, but the people on the Island probably thought they were co-operating with the police until the first shot went off.
     
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    The lunatic apparently published a "manifest" of 1,500 pages :)eek: ) titled "2083. A European declaration of independence", talking of racial wars and how Europe could rid itself of immigrants.

    What a crazy idiot.

    http://storyful.com/stories/1000005656

    I haven't checked the content of the link yet, but it looks like the content is very racist, from the description. Not sure if it is authentic, but it is reported in Norwegian news media to be authentic.
     
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    Okay I have been trying to look through that stuff, and it is just crazy. How could one single person come up with all this bullcrap...

    This guy seems to be really methodical, not only in the way he executed his plan, but also in the way he wrote all of this stuff down. The level of misguided intelligence, hate and fanatism that went into this pamphlet is shocking.

    What a crazy fanatic. Scary.

    Edit: At the end, I believe he even describes how he made the bombs, and how his agricultural business was a cover for getting the ingredients for the bombs.

    The guy talks about feminism, the EU, Islam, marxism, the United States, etc. etc. etc.

    The police better find out who these other people are.
     
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    Wow, this stuff is crazy beyond belief.

    I believe this is not just one guy, although I would hope it is...in addition to Islamist terror, there seems to also now be right-wing Neo-Nazi terror as an additional threat.

    Terrible.

     
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    I hate to say it but other shooters have done this, such as insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq have carried out missions in military or police uniforms. If I recall I think some of the Mumbai shooters were in police or some other uniform that was one reason why they were so hard to take down.

    Not wanting to scare people but given what happened in Mumbai, the Columnbine massacre and the Rep. Giffords shooting massacres like this may not be that hard to pull off.
     

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