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[Official] Texans Offseason 2011

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. rezdawg

    rezdawg Member

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    Based on his statements, I'm guessing he wants more than 3...which is why his comments are ludicrous. I'd definitely prefer spending more and bringing weddle in.
     
  2. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    You son of a b****.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hsf09 again
     
  3. MadMax

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    it's all in the timing. repped. :grin:
     
  4. Hey Now!

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    Just to bring a little dose of reality: Asomugha made $14.25M last year. I doubt the most coveted free agent available is looking to earn *less* money. And next year's rumored cap ($120M) is reportedly anywhere between $7-10M less than they expected.

    So let's at least be reasonable. If they don't have the space - and $14+M for one player requires *a lot* of space - then they don't have the space.
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    pgabriel gave you a list. Those guys eat up a lot of space. Mario is at the end of his contract so i'm wondering if they can rework it to free up some space.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    exactly
     
  7. DonkeyMagic

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    you shut your mouth with your silly logic.

    People will still b**** and complain though, despite the obvious fact that they are hamstrung by the cap. They will have to work some magic just to get 2 quality DBs this offseason and resign Vonta at the price he wants.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    unfortunately, that's why in the nfl you have to look at letting a guy like leach walk. not that you can always find a good fullback, i think they are actually quite rare with the feature back offenses most teams run, but you can't over pay for a guy who's value is all blocking with a few catches out of the backfield. you can hopefully find someone in the draft and train them to do that.

    that's the decisions the patriots make each and every year.
     
  9. MadMax

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    i will b**** and complain if, for whatever reason, they are still unable to assemble a roster that can find its way into the playoffs. be prepared. the people who are hamstrung by the cap are the very same people who created the roster, otherwise.
     
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  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    so if player contracts aren't guaranteed, how do they count against the cap? I guess, if you're on the roster that season, your base salary? what happens when you cut someone?
     
  11. justtxyank

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    You're right, I will b**** and complain if the management of this team can't get them to the playoffs because they can't draft a good enough roster and they can't manage the cap well enough to sign impact free agents.

    I mean damn, if they can't draft impact guys, can't sign impact guys, can't work miracles coaching...
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    The way it used to work is players count as base salary plus signing bonus/contract length. If.a player is cut, the remainder of the regular salary never goes against the books, but the rest of the signing bonus money is added that year.

    So in many cases cutting a player can give you a significant one year cap hit in exchange for long term flexibility.

    I don't know how the new deal may have changed the rules, though.
     
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  13. ima_drummer2k

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    Then, assuming it was someone from the Texans who leaked it, why make all the noise about how you are going to be so aggressive going after Aso? So much noise that it ends up all over the NFL Network, etc.

    If resigning the best fullback in the league comes at the price of upgrading the secondary.....well, as much as I love you, Vonta.......SEE YA. We have 12 TE's on the team already, can't we just move one to FB?

    And under these cap conditions, I would rather get a couple of good players in the secondary than spend everything on one great player in the secondary.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    Pulled from ESPN

    Cap situations

    Arizona $37.3 million under
    Atlanta $13.9 million under
    Baltimore $5.33 million under
    Buffalo $35.9 million under
    Carolina $30.6 million under
    Chicago $37. million under
    Cincinnati $35.9 million under
    Cleveland $33.3 million under
    Dallas $18.9 million over
    Denver $1 million under
    Detroit $16.6 million under
    Green Bay $62,600 under
    Houston $7.6 million under
    Indianapolis $2.7 million over
    Jacksonville $31.4 million under
    Kansas City $34.3 million under
    Miami $13.6 million under
    Minnesota $5.1 million over
    New England $7.57 million under
    New Orleans $11.7 million under
    N.Y. Giants $11.3 million over
    N.Y. Jets $1.2 million over
    Oakland $10 million over
    Philadelphia $13 million under
    Pittsburgh $10 million over
    San Diego $19.4 million under
    San Francisco $18.9 million under
    Seattle $39 million under
    St. Louis $35.6 million under
    Tampa Bay $59.2 million under
    Tennessee $10.3 million under
    Washington $10.6 million under
     
  15. J.R.

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    I'll finish the sentence

    I mean damn, if they cant draft impact guys, cant sign impact guys, cant work miracles coaching, then what the hell are they good for?!

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    I think someone mentioned this earlier but McClain on this morning, said No way can they go after Nnamdi. Not Jonathan Joseph either. Would be someone like [Carlos] Rogers. Some lesser corner. They may make offers but dont have the money. ... Another thing, you have to think ahead --Foster will need a new contract. Mario's contract is up in a year. Cant blow it in one year.
     
  16. DonkeyMagic

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    I wonder if it was just a case of overractiong. Someone in the texans may have said "we will try for Aso" but of course they would say that, whether or not it was a strong probability is a whole other story. Then the source ran with it. The media catches on and blows it up even more because for the simple fact that the texans have the worst secondary and a huge hole at CB.

    It could also be a bluff. Have other teams that need a CB think they have to ramp up their focus to win Aso, meanwhile, the texans focus on the second wave of CBs for cheaper.

    I agree with Vonta. I love the dude but he can't be too ridiculous with his demands. But if he gets that big figure eslewhere, more power too him.

    I also agree with the getting of 2 good secondary players as opposed to 1 great one, given the salary situation
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    Occam's Razor, man - you gotta fill 24 hours of airspace - I would wager its much more likely empty conjecture by know-nothing "insiders."

    But also - they're reporting the cap is going to be much as much as $7-10M less than they initially thought - $120Mish. Maybe the Texans genuinely were entertaining (and leaking) interest in Asomugha that the reduced cap # killed. If the #s in Donny's post are correct, they went from potentially $14-17M under the cap to $7M under.

    This will likely happen - but it doesn't free up money, per se. They're not releasing him. Whatever his cap hit *was* is not being factored into their plans moving forward. It gives them more free agent money to spend - but they can't create additional space underneath the cap by not resigning Leach.
     
  18. rezdawg

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    Dallas is almost 19 million over??? Hahaha.

    And Tampa almost 60 million under? How is that even possible...good for them. Although, it could suck for them bc of the new CBA where they may be forced to spend a lot of the salary on mediocre talent.
     
  19. DieHard Rocket

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    Cut or re-structuring Amobi, Slaton, and Orlovsky will save another 7+ million. I'd even be tempted to cut Antonio Smith since he is eating up over $6 million by himself, but I don't know that they'll consider that.

    Also have to consider that we have to re-sign Butler or another swing tackle, which will prob cost a couple million.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    Hold up... we're talking about a premiere free agent likely to earn $15+M/year; not their overall free agency approach, which might very well include signing several guys that *add up* to $15M.

    If you have $7M, roughly, to spend (per Donny's post), cutting another $8M - again, just to sign *one* player - is asking a lot.
     

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