It matters more than all those stats combined, amongst knowledgable people. It means that every 1000 rebounding opportunities Yao had, he grabbed 165 rebounds, as opposed to Ewing's 164. It's the simplest and best rebounding stat there is. And as someone mentioned Ewing had excellent defenders and guys who knew how to box out like Oakley while Yao had to carry Scola on the defensive end. It made grabbing those boards against two big men much harder than against one like Ewing did. I agree with that poster. Anyway, his O/DRTG speaks for itself, no point in arguing rebounding when they're both so close. Btw 90% of the people posting in this thread cant even comprehend the OP's question, I think that's funny. This isn't a "where does Yao rank" thread lol.
How can you say that when there were only a hand full of games where he truly dominated. Look at the stat that I put up comparing him to Robinson. Yao has never had a 30 pt 10 rebound 5 assist 3 blk game and Robinson averaged that for a season. Patrick had a season where he averaged 28 pts, 10 rebounds, 4 blks, 2 assists. Do you know hove many games Yao has done that in his career? 5 times. That's only 4 more times than Rik Smits. That's not comparable even when you are cherry picking stats like some of the Yao nut huggers are in this thread. Yao is battling the 10th spot with Walton, and anyone that knows anything about basketball would pick Walton if health was not issue for either player. If you also took health out of the equation, they have to include Sabonis.
You're losing me here. I'm certain it's that I'm just not smart enough to understand you....but I'll give it the old college try, anyway. Oakley was one of the best rebounders in the NBA of my lifetime. He was signed by the Knicks almost specifically for that purpose and that purpose alone. Defense and rebounds. He grabbed boards like crazy. Of course those boards ate away from the opportunities that Ewing might have had if he had been playing alongside another PF that wasn't such a good rebounder. I watched Yao play...I watched Ewing and Robinson play. In my humble opinion, Yao isn't in the discussion with those guys.
Obviously Yao ended up nowhere near the top 10. The key factor here with a healthy Yao is that he had an amazing work ethic. Right when the injuries started, Yao could have improved and put up some nice numbers. He was just entering his prime.
Absolutely. We would have had two top 50 (or higher) players of all time on the same team if they both stayed healthy.
I'm assuming you decided to add yourself to that 90% then, you were the one who brought up the rebound % numbers. It's not too often you find someone insulting themselves without realizing it.
Which is why, if we examine it, Ewing, who posted rebounding ratings of 17 or higher eight times, , including two seasons over 18, was far more impressive at rebounding than Yao - who only managed to break 17 twice, one of which was basically just a half-season.
Close. I dont see Ewing and him being too much different than each other except for injuries. Stats and dominance wise.
Did you even watch ONE FULL GAME of Patrick Ewing in his prime? Yao isn't even CLOSE to Patrick Ewing when he was 100% healthy.
While Yao got hurt obviously and never reached his potential, Ewing also played a handful of 'twilight' seasons that dragged his overrall stats. I would like to think a healthy Yao (imagine 12+ seasons of 35 minutes a game) would have won a championship - which, fair or not, elevates one's standings. However without that, I would have to give the edge to Ewing. Ewing didn't have to face the type of double-teams Yao had to face though. None of those guys did (legally). Still have to go with Ewing.
???? You can double team, triple, quadruple team somebody back then, you can't play zone (aka illegal defense).
Yao got double teamed quite a bit when he didn't have the ball. I guess it was sort of a zone with someone fronting him and someone cheating on him from the weakside. Made getting him the ball very hard.
yao ming is in the league of bryant reeves, rick smits, and kevin duckworth RIP those guys could've easily put up yao's number if they were actually the go to guy of their respective teams and like yao, they all suck defensively and somewhat uncoordinated so no, he's nowhere near the top 10
With all due respect, this post is absurd. Yao was HUGE defensively, when he was healthy, and no pun intended. The stats prove it. Perhaps you should do some research before making blanket statements like that. You make yourself look foolish. Even many of his detractors would agree that with Yao in the game, healthy, he was a giant plus on the defensive side.
Just add him to your ignore list like the rest of us have. All his posts just state that Yao is Reeves lmao. I'm thinking he was a big Reeves fan and he's disappointed in how the guy's career turned out.
Next time al harrington or boris diaw can single ewing,robinson,or mourning, let me know how that would work out. My point is why yao ming wouldn't ever be in the top 10 healthy or not is his limitations. If yao were playing against ewing,robinson,dream and guys like that, all they would have to do is front him and he's out the game. On the other end, those guys would pull yao out to the free throw line and either drop jumpers in his face like boozer did or drive by him and dunk on his head like boozer was doing. That's not to say yao wasn't a good player, he just wasn't in those guys class.
