This is why you believe in Aaron Brooks, Chase Budinger, and Jordan Hill while good franchises like OKC believe in guys like Nick Collison.
Looks like DD is preparing to dig himself another hole again. Watch where you're going, I already saw quite a good number of hypocritical statements.
No, that was a retort to the guy who basically said his 6 year old could analyze it better, thus the reference. I know you guys like Chuck and want him to stay, whatever the org and Chuck decide to do is fine by me too. I am just saying that this situation the team is in...RIGHT NOW, Chuck is a luxury, and he is taking playing time away from other players that need it. The whole, they can earn it argument is valid, but a lot of players got their playing time or spot in the rotation due to injury, or trade, or other, it is silly to think that the only way to get PT on a team that is rebuilding is to earn it. Sometimes players play because the ownership, or organization knows that they will be better off in the future because of it.....sometimes the future is more important than the present. And now that Yao is done, that is where I am as a fan..... DD
Yeah, this is true. If one of our young guys does develope into a star, we can bench or trade Chuck. Simple as that. Not only that, but if we do pull of a trade for a superstar, we may lose Scola or PatPat or both. It would be nice to have Chuck Hayes around in such a scenario where we suddenly are capable of contending. Of course, this is all contingent on not having to overpay for him.
But based on the 6 year old logic that DD employs, Chuck would be lucky to be a starter anywhere. Chuck start = 42 wins = 9th seed. Chuck big bad mean small center. Chuck no win.
The intent of the statement was that signing him could restrict salary space necessary to sign a star, or that playing him extended minutes may take away from developing the young players. The entire message that Morey, McHale, et al. seems to putting out is that they are now making development of the young players a priority, though they are not going to try to suck while doing so. So of course, signing Hayes would likely help the young players by keeping a guiding force in the locker room and on the practice court. Now, while it is true that no one should be given a spot, playing in a NBA game is entirely different than playing in practice. Different speed, different pressure, different everything. Say what you want, but its true for everything that things change when your actually out there, no matter how much you want to say "play the same on the practice court and in the game." So you have to give these young guys at least some minutes to see if they will have anything. Also, saying that one method worked for Yao, Landry, and Scola and should work for everyone else is superficial. Not everyone learns the same way, thinks the same way, or understands things the same way. Any good teacher knows that different people learn in different ways. You have to try different methods and see what works. Just because you attempt different methods, does not mean you are giving a player an easy ride or being too lenient. Young players will make mistakes on the court and you have to live with them some times, even if they cost you games (i.e. You live with Thabeet/T-Will/J Hill costing the Rockets a game against the Suns in the last minute, but not Brad Miller.) Plus both Yao and Scola had played professional basketball prior to coming to the Rockets, and Landry was a much older, mature rookie who had put in the time to over come major injuries. It totally different working with those types of players versus working with young 21-23 year olds who left college early, never really had to work in a professional rigor, or who are relatively new to game (i.e. started in high school). Again, I'm not saying flat out don't sign him. Just: 1. Don't over pay him. If he wants to play elsewhere, let him. If wants a bigger payday, tell him good luck. 2. Don't sign him now to just say we can always trade him at the deadline. 3. Don't overplay him in a way that hinders the other players developments. Even with all that, one cannot argue that Chuck does not have limitations with height and shotblocking. Plus last year, while he improved a great deal offensively, his defensive rebound rates were at a career low, and even his offensive and total rebound rates are not where they once where. Could be due to system or age, but more likely due lack of size when Hayes, Scola, or Patterson are on the floor together. He is a great player to have on the team, but it is not another sign of the rapture if he is not a Rocket.
There's a reason that only fans think that players develop with playing time. All I'm gonna say to that.
Well, that's all you had to say. Because there ARE people saying "flat out don't sign him". And those are the only people I have a problem with. Of course I wouldn't sign him if we had to overpay. I wouldn't sign anyone if we had to overpay aside from superstars.
Unless he's playing with a prime Duncan/Garnett type player, Chuck Hayes cannot be the starter on a championship team.
Let's not forget that Chuck played a career high 28.1 mpg last year. He's normally around 20 mpg or less, even as a starter. There's plenty of room to develop behind the unstoppable Chuck Hayes. Get rid of him and you have neither a starter nor a reserve. The only good that can come from him leaving is that we will suck enough to get a very high draft pick. This would be the year to tank.
Chuck Hayes showed more improvement during the last year than any of DD's kiddie p*rn players have in their whole lives.
What I was trying to say is that some may develop with playing time. Some may psychologically need that boost and confidence thrown their way. Some perform better under pressure and in the spotlight than in practice. Many different people, different personalities, different situations. I never spoke in absolutes.
Anyone who shows even a glimpse of "getting it" will inevitably get playing time. Lowry got to plenty of minutes despite playing with a 20 PPG MIP winner for example. I'm not sure what you're even saying here, Hill and Thabeet will get playin time because Chuck is our only other center. Are you saying guys need to be thrust into the starting lineup or something?
I think the Rockets can resign Chuck for 3-4 million per year, and at that rate I don't see the downside in bringing him back. Whether he's playing significant rotation minutes or not, he's an asset to the team IMO (and I don't mean "asset" in that way).
Look Until you say have his replacement? It makes zero sense to get rid of him. ZERO. Who cares about Bust Hills development at this point? Hasheem Thabeet is a peice of toilet paper that fell off the roll. We have nothin but Chuck Hayes until Morey gets that other guy. Chuck should go nowhere. You want another team to be better and to win Championships with our players? Thats your business. That has nothing to do with making the Rockets any better or whats good for the Rockets. I could care less if anyone wins a championship with Shane Battier or Chuck Hayes unless it is the Houston Rockets.
