WAIT A SECOND SIRE. our cherished rights to bear overwhelming firepower...YOU ARE RIGHT! THEY ARE ALIVE! ohohoho. THIS IS GOOD NEWS. (read the link I posted, several more incidents. Also, what justification do you have to keep automatics, hollow-points and .50s that represent excessive force. Even one incident is more than enough, because these weapons do not have reasonable uses, period, unless you are hunting f**king elephants or Osama Bin Laden in your backyard, as is my understanding.)
i know right. Come on Basso, fight with me together, let's end the war on Drugs. period. no criminalization of drugs, no need for violent criminals to hoard all the profits, no need for gun-running. amirite?
ends justify the means, huh? and this was beyond risky - it was stupid and a move that only adds to the violence. is it any coincidence that the rise in murder and mayhem has occurred while this program has been in place? the question is who authorized it and why? why were agents directed to not stop straw purchasers when they knew where they were going? hopefully obama and his justice department dont go all bush/cheney and stonewall the investigation. i think it sucks that my government is allowing the flow of arms into another country so we can trace them back when they are used in crimes. even chris hansen thinks it is weak. ive never painted any such picture, but i must say its not looking good for the obama administration and his justice department right now. again, basso is one of the biggest partisans on the board, but you cant dismiss this story just b/c its him starting the thread. no - i learned about this story from other sources - its been all over the news for the last week or so. i will check these alex jones articles though since you seem so interested in what he has to say. EDIT: looked at the articles - opinion pieces, but he links to "legitimate" news sources, which back up much of his claims. the reuters article discusses how ATF agents testified that they were ordered to stand down. it also says that the ATF agents said they had to break off surveillance of the weapons, as jones claimed. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/15/us-usa-mexico-guns-idUSTRE75E49N20110615 ive seen conflicting stories on who exactly provided the weapons so i cant comment on that, but the 2nd assertion is correct based on the testimony of the ATF agent in the reuters article. i think this is a pretty major story. surprised it took this long to start a thread about it. and the obamabots are once again trying to downplay any story that might cast their precious in a bad light.
Fat chance on that, if there's anything the Obama Admin. deserves a F for, it's transparency of government. Of course, liberals on this board have been arguing this point ad nauseam, I suppose it took threats to the Second Amendment to get others to realize this, and not the Eighth Amendment violations on Bradley Manning's account and/or the persecution of whistle-blowers about the violation of the Fourth Amendment.
wow. Okay, I'm sorry dude, I cannot engage in a reasonable debate with you. If you're starting off with a viewpoint that you are a subjugated person, and the federal government is the equivalent of the Nazi regime, then I'm afraid the difference is too big for me to even try to bridge it.
who says it cant be used for both gun control and further escalation of the "war on drugs". i think people have a right to be suspicious when the very agency that is overseeing the flow of weapons into mexico gets up and testifies infront of congress about what a problem the flow of weapons into mexico is. i was against the bush policy of torture and i am on record calling for the arrest and execution of several members of the bush administration for war crimes and i am against the obama administration allowing weapons to be provided to drug cartels. yes it is - and it cuts both ways. i expected the republicans to act the way they did, but to see democrats now behaving the exact same and in many cases, defending bush-era policies has been pretty surprising.
not you. The post was addressed to basso. I had a rather amusing sequence where basso was like "torture is against what laws", and I went along and dug up the exact laws. guess he's the champion of human rights and international law now. As for Democrats/liberals being silent about Obama violations, not if this forum is any indication. Me and several others (most notably Rhad) are up in arms about his handling of Wall Street, his handling of warrentless wiretapping etc. I can't think of too many Republicans/conservatives who were not defending torture, or at least, not starting threads about it and highlighting the issue at hand, something liberals on this board have done a lot of.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...--i-did-it-myself-says-us-advisor-398490.html Also, exporting people to other countries for them to torture them was another issue we locked horns on, and I had to remind you that extraordinary rendition was forbidden by specific international laws and represented a grave violation of human rights.
Who cares? Work against whoever might be in power, to get what you want done now. Where they have done wrong, we will do right.
ah, the independent thinks waterboarding is torture. so? as to the latter point, i assume you're outraged at the ship-board detention & interrogation of Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame?
The Independant as in the writer who cited the following individual in his defense? Yes, I am. I am also outraged about the Obama Admin's treatment of Thomas Drake, as expressed by my actions. I am also outraged about the Obama Admin's treatment of Bradley Manning. Want me to continue to emphasize how my moral indignation is different from yours?
i did. No violent crimes. Why did you single out the gun that after being around decades isn't linked to even a single murder? I guess when the lies you tell are exposed, and the fear mongering you spread fails, this is your last desperate argument? You know nothing about firearms beyond the propaganda you have been spewing, so how could I possibly hope to educate you?
Then educate me about guns, and how they make people safer, despite economic studies that rigorously deflate the "more guns=more safe" disincentive theory? What is the cost/benefit? If I say the cost is 50,000 gun deaths per year, what, pray tell, are the benefits? Are we a hunting economy? Are crime rates so historically high that murdering a thief is the only disincentive available to deter crime? Or is the benefit in, as others have alluded, holding out against the Nazis the federal government will become?
Why would I? So you can spew back BS, lies and disinformation? Your original post showed fear against a gun that has never been involved in a USA murder. then that would be right up your alley as another complete lie.
