Are republicans willing to let the economy fail to win an election?

I would hope so, but I don't know who would investigate it. The Dems and Republicans have had different philosophies lately about investigating their own party members.

It's crazy that he can do things like call off meetings and end meetings where the debt ceiling is being discussed while he stands to gain money on it. It seems an incredibly blatant conflict of interest.

 

I'm not sure it would be - this is a really obvious example, but there are plenty of opportunities for Congress to pass bills (health care and fin-reg being the most obvious recent examples) that have massive effects on the stocks of various companies they might own. If they aren't required to put stuff in blind trust, I don't think anyone really considers that stuff ethics violations - there would easily be hundreds of those cases every year.

Whether it should be or not is a totally different story.

 

That's an awesome scene. We need more of that, and the Democrats need to keep getting that message out there.

We've seen what kind of economy tax cuts for the wealthy bring us. We're living it now.

 

Cornyn: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

published July 03, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...passing-congress-on-debt-limit-is-crazy-talk/

 

Wow, if there's anybody I consider an authority on economic and consitutional issues, it's John Cornyn, I mean he's got a J.D. from St. Marys. I think that makes him more qualified than Robert Reid

 

No way Cornyn shoots as well as Reid. No ****ing way.

 

so why does the economy and unemployment still suck? i thought he said he could fix this big time in 2 years?

 

Because the things that have been implemented were all Republican ideas. The tax hikes for the wealthy being continued, the oil subsidies, and all the other big business agenda that's been passed.

 

Well, #1 the greatest builder of wealth for the most people in the country, the housing market, got hyper-inflated by fee fiends making loans that made no financial sense to anyone who would bother to look and as per predictability, it crashed, leaving a giant hole of bad mortgages, underwater loans, unsellable inventory, busted-out the financial insurance industry and nationalized the banks.

Now, with no housing industry, no stock bubbles (maybe), no promise of a new, disruptive technology, and oh yeah we owe 15 trillion dollars, $50,000 bucks for you alone on bonds that are out, we are finding it tough to keep buying champagne in the champagne room.

 

so all Obama has done was put us more in debt.

let's say things slightly go forward, it still does more harm than good. people act like the debt is a myth and not really money. it's kinda like a tsunami when the water recedes from the surface... people act like the water disappeared, and went down a hole for good.... but the water is coming back and going to destroy anything in it ways.

I'm a Republican hardcore, and agree that Bush left a big mess. But Obama does not get a "i get to suck for 4 years pass" and screw things up more. it does not work like that.

 

Well, until a Republican candidate has something to offer that makes sense, it does work like that

 

agree, right now gun to the head, Obama wins in 2012.. Republicans have nothing right now. Obama has done more harm than good, anybody would agree with that, if not, they are misinformed or just too far one sided.

If we finally get a middle ground person to be president, we might have a chance to fix some things. but that's never gonna happen.

I'm christian, and pray for our leaders. I pray for Obama, and his decision making. The guy is not an idiot by any means. I just don't think that kind of spending is going to fix things.

 

well they did everything to justify a war against Iraq.

 

Okay. I just swore off this forum last night but I have to make at least one more post in response to this.

Obama has not had the liberty to determine the path forward because the Republicans in Congress have made the unprecedented move of obstructing every single thing he has tried to do (this is official, stated policy from them). And you are, by and large, not seeing his economic policies in action. The GOP has forced him to embrace enormous and enormously meaningful concessions to his plan regarding the economy by threatening filibuster on every single thing if they didn't get their way. Breaking a filibuster used to be reserved for only the most extreme circumstances but the GOP, since Obama took office, has dangled it over every negotiation and has used it more than any other Congress, by far. As I'm sure you know, Rockets Pride, a filibuster takes 60 votes in the Senate to overcome and Obama has never had 60 votes in the Senate.

As such he has had his feet held to the fire not just on the economy but on everything. An enormous part of his economic plan was to take taxes on the top 2% earners, the ones that will miss out at most on a yacht as a result, back to Clinton (or Reagan) era levels, but the Republicans forced him to drop that by threatening not to cut taxes for those who dearly needed it: the poor and the middle class.

This is not Obama's agenda you are seeing. This is a Republican agenda with largely Republican ideas. Obama, on the economy, as a result of this (let's call it what it is) blackmail, has employed solutions that barely resemble Democratic party policies, not in line with Obama's proposals, and are, by and large, Republican ideas.

To say that Obama has failed to right the economy, when he is operating with his hands in cuffs and an anchor around his neck, is about as ironic as it gets.

 

Didn't Obama have a 60 vote majority in the Senate until Scott Brown won his special election? Wasn't his whole campaign about being the 41st vote?

 

If you count Lieberman and 1 or 2 other reliable conservadems, which he couldn't. Before Brown, Obama had about 57 reliable votes and 3 votes that were very difficult to get. He got all 3, for a total of 60, almost never. On the rare occasion he was able to get all 60 (as on health care) he had to make tremendous concessions to the conservative point of view to get there. That, and only that, is why there is no public option in the health care legislation.

 

The debt is a problem. That's one reason you don't do something stupid like add to it by extending tax cuts for the wealthy. We've had a decade of giving tax breaks to the wealthy, and easing off on regulations for businesses. The big corporations have seen record profits, and yet the economy still sucks.

Also the debt and the economy are kind of like the poor person without a job, and a broken down car. He needs money to get his car fixed so that he can look for work, and then make it to work regularly. But he can't get the money to fix the car without a job.

He would need to borrow the money, fix the car, find a job, start working, and then budget his paychecks so that he didn't spend that much, and pay back what he owed.

 

Obama is a middle ground person. He gave in to Republican idea after Republican idea regarding the health care reform. He gave the Republicans the tax cuts they wanted. The Dems have agreed to put spending cuts on the table regarding Social Security, Medicare, and tons of other programs.

A real progressive would not have given Republicans half of that. Obama is about as middle road as it comes.