1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Should Yao only come back for the Playoffs?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by withmustard, Jul 2, 2011.

  1. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    2,292
    I could see this being the best solution for everybody. Everybody here has faith in Yao's ability to recover. With his work ethic, trainers, surgeons and lockout time off, he WILL get healthy.

    Staying healthy is the tricky part.

    This is why I think Morey seriously needs to consider making a playoff push, with intentions of bringing Yao back for one last chance. The West has no clear dominant team right now and ripe for the taking from Dallas.

    Remember Barkley's last game? He rehabbed all season and probably shouldn't have played, but did because he didn't want to go out like THAT.
    I know it was slightly different circumstances but similarly Barkley didn't want to be defeated by an injury.

    I know this might affect chemistry, but Yao would be a game changer off the bench. Think Mutumbo against Portland.

    It would be a shame to see Yao go down in the 6th game of the season against a lottery team like Minnesota or Toronto.

    It would be much more poetic if he went down in the 6th game of the Playoffs, helping Houston take 2-0 lead against Dallas or LA in the semifinals.
     
  2. Pieman2005

    Pieman2005 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2009
    Messages:
    4,070
    Likes Received:
    188
    We can't make the playoffs without Yao (not saying we definitely can either), and you can't just miss the whole season and come back and play well in the playoffs.
     
  3. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    2,292
    I disagree, yeah Yao will be rusty from actual game speed, but he has a high enough IQ and well enough form to compensate. I would still expect him to practice with the rockets and sit on the bench for games.
     
  4. Marteen

    Marteen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2010
    Messages:
    2,844
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    No. He needs to play in the regular season, so that the team can develop chemistry.
     
  5. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    2,292
    Do think he can finish a season? I don't.
     
  6. rocketsmetalspd

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    9,286
    Likes Received:
    751
    If and when Yao does come back I hope his legs are the same size. I remember watching practice when the team came down here to the RGV and one leg look dramatically smaller than the other one because he had the time to work it back to shape(athropy in that one leg).
     
  7. Streets 01

    Streets 01 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2006
    Messages:
    777
    Likes Received:
    525
    The biggest problem I see is making that major adjustment. Are you going to mess up a playoff team's (because in this hypothetical scenario, we've made it) chemistry, rotations, minutes, identity, etc.

    Yao is a player who you don't just plus in. He changes a team's identity offensively and defensively, impacting play in the paint and tempo just to name some things. I think this is a horrible idea, but that's just me.
     
  8. RV6

    RV6 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    25,522
    Likes Received:
    1,109
    I think you're severely underestimating the impact it'll have on chemistry....Yao's not the kind of player that can adjust on the fly like that because he's a specific type of player. Put courtney lee out there and he'll adjust quickly to a fast team, half court team, etc... Yao doesn't have all those speeds and versatility. He can't just blend in, he'll always have a significant impact on the kind of basketball you're playing, so you need to develop chemistry first.

    And have you been reading the forum lately? There's a lot of fans here who don't believe he'll come back at all.
     
  9. Liberon

    Liberon Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    8,838
    Likes Received:
    842
    Udonis Haslem
     
    1 person likes this.
  10. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    2,292
    Yao off the bench makes a lot more sense than Thabeet. Yao will be on the bench every game and at practices to build chemistry. If he accepts a new 6th man role then he could really be the X factor for us. Didn't Kobe not practice with his team this year?
     
  11. rocketzlove

    rocketzlove Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    96
    Likes Received:
    5
    i like this idea.
     
  12. withmustard

    withmustard Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    3,301
    Likes Received:
    2,292
    Repped. I forgot about him.
     
  13. Greg M

    Greg M Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    661
    Likes Received:
    6
    Charles Jones reincarnated!
     
  14. emcitymisfit

    emcitymisfit Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    129
    Either bring him off the bench Deke style and DON'T run the offense through him

    Or

    Bring him back a few games after the all star break and work him back in slowly.
     
  15. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2001
    Messages:
    5,923
    Likes Received:
    1,490
    Yao is done...I'm not sure why people continue with these what if scenarios...but even if this was possible it is probably the worst idea imaginable. You don't make it to the playoffs then totally change the chemistry by adding someone like Yao. He KILLED our team when he came back last year in the beginning...he was bad and our team continued to feed him the ball and stand around. Those days are over...yeah you can say "oh we won't play that way, he'll just be a roleplayer", but we have shown that we fall back to that mode with him in the game. A limited Yao is a team killer, he'd done and so is any team that tries to play him unless he's 100%.
     
    1 person likes this.
  16. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,542
    Likes Received:
    7,752
    Then scrap him, he's not worth it.
     
  17. RV6

    RV6 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    25,522
    Likes Received:
    1,109
    Not if it's going to cause chemistry issues....we've been there, done that. We had him, starting, and it wasn't working. The team itself said they had trouble finding their place because there was uncertainty surrounding the rotation, minute distribution, etc. It's nearly impossible to try and limit a player of Yao's talent level because you'll eventually be faced with, "do we take him out now? How about now? He's doing well, should we wait another minute?" It was the problem the team had when he came back. It's not realistic to say he's going to be coming off the bench. A talent like that is going to be starting eventually because you'll see he's helping you too much to sit. Then you'll be right back to playing him heavy minutes out of necessity.

    Now if he's not helping you, then it's easier to decide to sit him down and limit his minutes, but then what would be the point of having him?

    Kobe's been with this team how long? How many playoff games have they played together? Regular season games? More than plenty. Yao has spent a ton of time in street clothes. It's not even comparable, Kobe already has established chemistry and a flow with his team, not just during the season, but during a championship run. That's why he was able to sit out practice, or why he thought he could because you could argue that's a big reason why they got swept (Kobe said they were sacrificing team intensity by sitting him out). And Yao's not even in the same galaxy when it comes to establishing chemistry, especially with the player turnover this team has had.
     
  18. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    IF your team made the playoffs without Yao and you are going in to the first round and he's ready to go, you would have a huge psychological advantage. And you would be getting a huge physical advantage too.
     
  19. ashishduh

    ashishduh Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    61
    He wouldn't be starting, he'd be replacing Thabeet or Hill, which will be an upgrade regardless of chemistry.
     
  20. RV6

    RV6 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    25,522
    Likes Received:
    1,109
    If yao ming is healthy, you're saying he wouldn't be good enough to start over whoever we have starting already? There's only one guy in the league who could push Yao to the bench and he won't be on this team. I dont see how you bench a healthy Yao in the playoffs, unless he's in foul trouble.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now