Surprise! Georgia has a farm labor shortage after banning illegals from working

Hopefully this would go nation wide, I do not mind paying $7 for milk, or even $5 for onions if we keep out illegals from doing this hard labor. I would rather purchase produce from a verified farm or meat proccesing plant like tyson that will not hire illegals immigrants at all. Eventhough illegal immigrants have an estimated 29k purchasing power that major corporations take notice.

 

Do they have the same laws about . . .a baby born there are automatic citizens? Do we wanna revisit that as well?

Rocket River

 

From their perspective, they aren't necessarily being exploited. They are getting better opportunities than they would otherwise - if that weren't the case, they wouldn't be here. We are getting cheaper goods than we would otherwise - and in the cases in these examples, the workers were being paid legal minimum wage, so the abuse was less than maybe some of the other shadier abuse of illegal immigrants - Americans just didn't want those jobs.

There are certainly problems there in how they are treated and what employers can get away with. But at the same time, the way you get out of the underclass is to move up slowly - we went through this process in our industrial revolution where we had crappy working conditions, etc. China is going through it now.

My concern with this is that you're disrupting homes and families and sending immigrants in mass to other states. As a general rule, disruption is bad. It causes negative consequences in the states they are leaving, and it causes negative consequences where there are inflows.

 

its funny, the first thing some people think is "people on welfare should be doing these jobs". Guys, we're just now beginning the reality of 10% unemployment. These systems, such as migrants working on these farms didn't happen overnight.

This is probably a little more complex than that. verry poor people in this country probably did these jobs until people started moving into cities and yes welfare and other safety nets became reality. These migrants have probably been coming over for over twenty years. its a whole system, that isn't going to change overnight with the gov't rounding up welfare recepiants to replace them

 

A bit of a sidebar, but if you don't mind, then support repealing all USDA subsidies. watch the laughter when you pay about $52 for a Big Mac.

 

I thought subsidies kept food prices high by paying farmers to limit their crop.

 

Nope.

 

So basically you would like to see inflation in food at a time of an economic downturn while also hurting illegal immigrants financially since they won't get that work, just to keep illegals out.

 

As an American citizen who was born here in the US to two people on student visas yes lets hear your opinion again about that.

 

Good point. Migrant workers have actually been in the US for more than a hundred of years. Much of the agriculture of the Imperial Valley was done by seasonal workers who crossed the border and then went back. Illegal immigration has been here since the US existed (if you ask Native Americans long before the US existed.) The industry of creating documents to allow illegal immigrants to come here and work was actually started to allow Chinese to get in after the Exclusion Acts were passed.

 

I asked a question. In response to the quote

Do you know the answer?
*IF* these great industrialized countries that have the great guest worker programs . . .*AND* . . . . allow the auto-citizenship . . .I wonder how they manage their populations.
Do you know the answer?

You use the term *AGAING* when I have never voiced an opinion on Auto-Citizenship of natural born Americans.
Why are you so defensive? What the attack stance ready to pounce?
The law has been a law since the beginning. [Of course it did not apply to
Black Americans until . . .the late 1800s . . but hey . . . ]
Why would *YOU* think *I* was against it . . .which I am inferring from the nature of your question. [An assumption no doubt on my part]

Rocket River

 

Off the top of my head most do not like the UAE but also they don't have the US Constitution.

IN that case I apologize and may have been mistaking you with another poster.

I am defensive because this is personal to me and my family. If the 14th Amendment is changed that means that I would not be a citizen.

And yes blacks didn't have the birthright citizenship, part of the reason for the 14th Amendment, but there you ago again trying to tie an issue to being about blacks when this is about really want it means to be an American for all races.

 

Sarcasm, except for the last point.

 

Sorry my sarcasm detector was off.

 

You are defensive because of your background
I tie it to blacks because of mine.

My point is . . .is it possible to manage a population
whicle having BOTH the Auto-Citizenship at birth
AND a expanded Guest worker program. Which seems to be what is being advocated. Seems most have ONE or the OTHER but not BOTH.

With such an expanded GUEST WORKER program . . .you would definately increase the number of new citizens at an accelerated rate. Not only the child but the parents as well would be citizens or at worse 'quasi citizens'. [The so called 'anchor babies situation' . . .who will kick out parents but not the baby??]

I would like to hear a clearer vision of the GUEST WORKER situation
I am unsure how it would help.
I think the 'THREAT OF DEPORTATION' is what allows for the wages to be suppressed
If that threat is removed . .. then I dunno that Guest workers would
work for such wages anymore than US Citizens.
I would assume their wages would likewise be taxed
then they would have to maintain a household here
Travel back and forth to the home country

with the High Level Visas. . . the money is worth it
but on 7$/Hr . .. . is all that possible? Really?

Rocket River

 

Maybe if they cut off unemployment and welfare, then these jobs won't seem so bad for the wages.
That's the problem. You can't just take step one of the process. You have to complete the entire process to make it truly work.

 

yes, cut off unemployment so some laid off secretary can move to georgia to pick onions.

 

...for $15,000 per year less than she was making as a secretary.

 

Bwahaha.

Alabama confirms the same problem.

This is soooooo funny.

 

Capitalism needs slavery.

nothing new.