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Surprise! Georgia has a farm labor shortage after banning illegals from working

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by geeimsobored, Jun 23, 2011.

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  1. Nook

    Nook Member

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    Living on government assistance > than making $8 working in 100 degree heat in a field, especially once transportation and medical costs are figured in.
     
    #41 Nook, Jun 27, 2011
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    oh lord, how do you know the people on welfare have access to these jobs. its a little hard to pick up and go work 100 miles from your home when half your paycheck would just be spent getting there.

    red herring, move on
     
    #42 pgabriel, Jun 27, 2011
  3. ToyCen428

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    <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/P8t8DCSP020" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


    lol so true
     
    #43 ToyCen428, Jun 27, 2011
  4. SamFisher

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    I know some folks in social services who would strongly disagree...a visit to a local public assistance office would generally dispell most people of this.

    Imagine the DMV, but upping the inefficiency level and rudeness and humiliation quotient about 10000000 times.
     
    #44 SamFisher, Jun 27, 2011
  5. thadeus

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    It's always precisely that simple. Anything else is just obfuscation for the purposes of continuing the status quo.
     
    #45 thadeus, Jun 27, 2011
  6. juicystream

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    When there is 10% unemployment, and jobs they are capable of available, than somebody is more content with what their unemployment get them.
     
    #46 juicystream, Jun 27, 2011
  7. Rocket River

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    From a Purely Capitalistic perspective. . . .
    Welfare pays better. . . . so you should always go where the better pay is

    When one does a Cost Benefit Analysis of the situation . . . . . it would be economically stupid to work harder for less pay

    Rocket River
     
    #47 Rocket River, Jun 27, 2011
  8. Nook

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    Yup... you are correct. People are not fools when it comes to self interest.
     
    #48 Nook, Jun 27, 2011
  9. HombreDeHierro

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    lets make farming robots so we dont have to worry about whites who think they're too good to do "Mexican" work even when there are no Mexicans
     
    #49 HombreDeHierro, Jun 28, 2011
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This will sort itself out over time, keep the faith, send the illegals back.

    DD
     
    #50 DaDakota, Jun 28, 2011
  11. krnxsnoopy

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    What about my peaches??
     
    #51 krnxsnoopy, Jun 28, 2011
  12. mc mark

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    Looks like it's happening in Alabama now as well.

    Hispanics Flee Alabama’s Immigration Law

    When Tuscaloosa, Alabama, begins rebuilding more than 7,200 homes and businesses leveled by an April 27 tornado, it may find itself missing a workforce capable of putting the city together again.

    That’s what Ever Duarte, head of the city’s Hispanic soccer league, said after losing a third of his teams in a week. Tuscaloosa County’s 6,000-strong Hispanic population --including roofers, Sheetrockers, concrete pourers, framers, landscapers and laborers -- is disappearing, he said, before a law cracking down on illegal immigrants takes effect.

    “They’re leaving now, right now,” Duarte, 36, said during a pause in a pick-up soccer game last week in a neighborhood gym. “I know people who are packing up tonight. They don’t want to wait to see what happens. It started last week. Our league had 12 teams the week before that. Last week, it was eight.”

    Governor Robert Bentley signed Alabama’s 72-page measure June 9, calling it “the strongest immigration bill in the country.” Alabama became the fifth state to enact sanctions against undocumented workers, following Arizona, Utah, Indiana and Georgia, where a federal judge yesterday blocked part of the restrictions. Tuscaloosa is getting an early gauge of the law’s effects in its state.
     
    #52 mc mark, Jun 30, 2011
  13. rhadamanthus

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    This is so funny.
     
    #53 rhadamanthus, Jun 30, 2011
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Hopefully this will dispel the image that immigrants are just here to parisitize the US without adding anything. Immigrants, illegal and legal, are vital to our economy.
     
    #54 rocketsjudoka, Jun 30, 2011
  15. juicystream

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    They keep things cheaper and take the crap jobs that Americans don't want.

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    Now we don't want them.
     
    #55 juicystream, Jun 30, 2011
  16. pgabriel

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    ramifications in TX also. HEB (grocery giant) and construction company want rick perry and the super rupublican majority to stop slamming through "santuary city legislation".

    link

     
    #56 pgabriel, Jun 30, 2011
  17. MiddleMan

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    Full of Win!! Pass the cost to the consumers, so we can see the impact of illegal immigration. Paging DD.
     
    #57 MiddleMan, Jun 30, 2011
  18. geeimsobored

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    Thankfully the special session ended (he said he wont call for another one) and Perry isnt stupid enough to push this through while campaigning for the presidency.
     
    #58 geeimsobored, Jun 30, 2011
  19. Rocket River

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    So . . .
    Are to fight for the ability to pay illegal workers a substandard wage?
    Are we to fight for the right to basically create . . . i dunno a serf class?

    We are fighting for the right to exploit the illegal immigrant? Is that what I am understanding?

    As I have often stated. . . one they are not illegal anymore. . . I don't think they will take the isht money they take now. The THREAT of being sent home is what makes for them taking these wages.
    Once that threat is removed. . . . why settle for less than minimum wage?

    Rocket River
     
    #59 Rocket River, Jun 30, 2011
  20. geeimsobored

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    No one's fighting for the status quo. But simply banning illegals without reforming our immigration system is stupid. Our system is garbage. My father got rejected for a student visa FIVE times despite having a full ride for a master's program. No one at the consulate ever explained why he was denied a visa repeatedly. He was about to stop trying when thankfully my uncle convinced him to try again and he got his visa. (not to mention his university was about to revoke his scholarship) Thankfully (however) I'm an American today.

    The sad thing is that its even harder to get to the US today. More people than ever are applying and our immigration quotas are the same. We have a guest worker program for higher level jobs (The J-1 visa program) but dont have it for lower level labor (despite the fact that every other industrialized country has something like that). We run an immigration system that is still based on the eugenics theories of the 1900s (despite the fact that everyone agrees that those theories are bull****) Even LBJ's reforms of the immigration system still didnt remove many antiquated quotas.

    Fareed Zakaria talked about the issue on his show and was pretty blunt. We have antiquated immigration policies that make it very difficult to come here. And other countries have made themselves attractive with more open policies. It's not the 60s and 70s anymore when the US was leaps and bounds ahead of every country.

    We need to have a fundamental conversation about immigration that goes beyond simply illegals. However it is critical to note that they are part of the equation. 99% of sane economists will tell you that population growth goes hand in hand with economic growth and if you stripped immigration from the equation we actually have negative population growth so its critical to emphasize immigration. Yet most of the idiots in Congress know nothing about immigration law or how it works. They speak in very broad and politically convenient terms rather than actually address the issue.
     
    #60 geeimsobored, Jun 30, 2011
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