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Movement to Replace Pi (3.14)

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    For all the math nerds.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43581192/ns/technology_and_science-science/?GT1=43001

    Mathematicians want to say goodbye to pi
    Tau movement focuses on 2pi as true mathematical constant

    "I know it will be called blasphemy by some, but I believe that pi is wrong."

    That's the opening line of a watershed essay written in 2001 by mathematician Bob Palais of the University of Utah. In "Pi is Wrong!" Palais argued that, for thousands of years, humans have been focusing their attention and adulation on the wrong mathematical constant.

    Two times pi, not pi itself, is the truly sacred number of the circle, Palais contended. We should be celebrating and symbolizing the value that is equal to approximately 6.28 — the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius — and not to the 3.14'ish ratio of its circumference to its diameter (a largely irrelevant property in geometry).

    Last year, Palais' followers gave the new constant, 2pi, a name: tau. Since then, the tau movement has steadily grown, with its members hoping to replace pi as it appears in textbooks and calculators with tau, the true idol of math. Yesterday — 6/28 — they even celebrated Tau Day in math events worldwide.

    But is pi really "wrong"? And if it is, why is tau better?

    The mathematicians aren't saying that pi has been wrongly calculated. It s value is still approximately 3.14, as it always was. Rather they argue t hat 3.14 isn't the value that matters most when it comes to circles. Palais originally argued that pi should be changed to equal (approximately) 6.28 while others prefer giving that number a new name altogether.

    Kevin Houston, a mathematician at the University of Leeds in the U.K. who has made a YouTube video to explain all the advantages of tau over pi, said the most compelling argument for tau is that it is a much more natural number to use in the fields of math involving circles, like geometry, trigonometry and even advanced calculus.

    "When measuring angles, mathematicians don't use degrees, they use radians," Houston enthusiastically told Life's Little Mysteries. "There are 2pi radians in a circle. This means one quarter of a circle corresponds to half of pi. That is, one quarter corresponds to a half. That's crazy. Similarly, three quarters of a circle is three halves of pi. Three quarters corresponds to three halves!" [Read: A Real Pie Chart: America's Favorite Pies ]

    "Let's now use tau," he continued. "One quarter of a circle is one quarter of tau. One quarter corresponds to one quarter! Isn't that sensible and easy to remember? Similarly, three quarters of a circle is three quarters of tau." Making tau equal to the full angular turn through a circle, he said, is "so easy and would prevent math, physics and engineering students from making silly errors."

    A better teaching tool

    Aside from preventing errors, as Palais put it in his article, "The opportunity to impress students with a beautiful and natural simplification has turned into an absurd exercise in memorization and dogma."

    Indeed, other tau advocates have said they've noticed a significant improvement in the ability of students to learn math, especially geometry and trigonometry where factors of 2pi show up the most, when the students learn with tau rather than pi.

    Though 2pi appears much more often in calculations than does pi by itself (in fact, mathematicians often accidentally drop or ad that extra factor of 2 in their calculations), "there is no need for pi to be eradicated," Houston said. "You might say I'm not anti-pi, I'm pro-tau. Hence, anyone could use pi when they had a calculation involving half of tau."

    Tau, the 19th letter of the Greek alphabet, was chosen independently as the symbol for 2pi by Michael Hartl, physicist and mathematician and author of "The Tau Manifesto," and Peter Harremoës, a Danish information theorist. In an email, Houston explained their choice: "It looks a bit like pi and is the Greek 't,' so fits well with the idea of turn. (Since tau is used in angles you can talk about one quarter turn and so on.)"

    Pi is too ingrained in our culture and our math to succumb to tau overnight, but the movement pushes ever onward. "Change will be incremental," Houston said.
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    3 times pi is even better.
     
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  3. pirc1

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    Not going to happen in the US, where we cannot even convert to metric system, which is much easier to use than the English system by the way.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    Yeah, because we all use pi on a regular basis.
     
  5. liljojo

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    I use pie on a regular basis.
     
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  6. Mr. Clutch

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    2pie is better
     
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  7. Xerobull

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    I drink to that!!!!

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  8. bullardfan

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    piepie is definitely better than pie
     
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    I eat pie on a regular basis. Nerd.
     
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    it already has a name "2pi"
     
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    2pi don't bother me.
     
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  15. Seven

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    Wow, that would be so dumb. Even if pi isn't used as often as 2*pi. Tau is used for so many things already. Torque, sheer stress, time constant. This is just asking for trouble. I refuse! :mad:
     
  16. Chopped

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    must be a slow news day. this is old, too late to change pi now.
     
  17. david_rocket

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    2pac is better.
     
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    2pi is the asian version of 2pac. derp!
     
  20. rhadamanthus

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    1) Not going to happen.
    2) While the quibble is accurate, the affect is minimal to the point of absurdity. Wooo, I have to use rx2 instead of just r.
    3) It's not like this is an international standard or something, one is free to use tau or pi, as long the number is correct. No one will care. Maybe math nerds I guess, but so what.
    3.1415...) I like pi.
     

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