[Zanesville Time Recorder] Kevin Martin: Career is at 'highest point'

Yeah, but I figured he would continue to get better, and he also had a lot of assists for others too.....

Again, I LIKE KMART !!!!!!!!

DD

 

Also Mr. Buttocks, after Rafer 43% seemed like 100%.



DD

 

His point is that you gushed over players like AB, VSPan, Budinger, etc like a little school girl to a point where it drove everyone borderline crazy but downplay much better players like Kevin Martin.

We get it. You think Martin is simply a scorer. You think he's a net zero on the court. Funny how you bring up Lowry yet you designated him to a career backup role.

Kevin Martin is a top 5 player at his position. He is a beast. I want him to remain in a Houston Rockets uniform.

DM and DD are not on the same wavelengths. He will re-sign Hayes if the price is right, btw.

 

Sammy,

Clearing up your misrepresentation of what I said.

1. Vspan - I wanted him to get a look to see if he could be part of the future because Rafer sucked - nothing more.

2. AB, loved how he played that year, still think he is a good quality scoring PG, who had bad luck last year due to injury.

3. Budinger - still like him.

4. Kmart - I was on board with getting him for years, probably had a few threads about it, long before we even got him, still like him.

I think KMart is the best SG on the roster, but he is a one way player only, he does not play defense, he sucks at defense.....when you give up as much as you get, it is a net zero....

Do I think Courtney Lee is as good as him? No, but he does make our defense better, so he might have a better impact on the game overall.

Now, I think Kmart is a tradeable asset, and his peak years will be wasted if he stays in Houston.

DD

 

I'm sure you do. And of those you mentioned, you've definitely demonstrated a fondness for Scola and Budinger. But you outright campaigned for Brooks, Wafer and VSpan. It was a different level of fandom all together.

 

He doesn't?

Wait...you talking about KM or AB? KM has a very high TS%. AB never did.

Only trade KM if you get something VERY big in return.

 

Man, I am so glad we drafted Morris for more reasons than one.

Like I said, if he can reach half the potential that I think he has, he changes the dynamics of the team. Where as before I was onboard with trading Martin for prospects and going young, essentially to tank, now I think our core may be good enough going forward. With additions and tweaks, instead of breaking the whole thing up.

Martin would fit perfectly next to Morris if he develops into a star player, and I would like to keep him for that reason. That realization makes me incredibly happy. Because even when I was a proponent of trading Martin, it always made me feel a little dirty inside knowing I was in the same boat as DD. The self doubt was just too much, there was no way it could be right.

Now, I feel so relieved!

 

Do you actually have any proof of this, or are you simply talking out of your ass, again?

 

I guess this is the flavor of the summer for you. You don't think we can contend for a few years. I think we can contend soon. Carl Herrera's thread proves it with the cap flexibility DM has orchestrated. All of the numerous DM haters will eat some major crow but I digress..

Martin's defense is better than AB. Your bias is highly prevalent. Budinger is worse at defending his position. You don't get better by trading Kevin Martin unless it's for a bona fide star. Iggy is not that man.

 

Sammy I'm with you about contending sooner than most people think. I don't think we are far from a 50 win team and might be one right now the way we are constructed. Lowry, Bud and Pat are just going to get better. Marcus might be the answer we have been looking for at the 3 with and he might have the right disposition to be a closer. I think we are a play-off team and the aquisition of a defensive 5 that can protect the rim might put is in WCF contention. I believe that.

 

WIN

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DD just pulling stuff from thin air

 

That's not true, statistically speaking. Not many will out score him or come close to it on a game by game basis. Look up how many points his match up scores against him.
For example,
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...ockets-vs-los-angeles-lakers/2010-10-26/11/10
oh wow, kobe score 27 pts, martin dropped 26 on him. What does that say about Kobe's D? sure kobe had more assists, but in the rockets Offense that's the point guard's job.
Holy crap, looking at that box score, aaron with 9 assists. Damn you Manu!!


I'm not saying he's d wade, but if you paired him up with a "superstar" like rose, I guarantee you the "experts" will orgasm and talk about him as an all star talent.
He can score without deflating the offensive system, unlike other chuckers..sorry..superstars.

 

I'd actually challenge that statement. While Martin certainly has trouble defensively at times, I have yet to see him get totally violated by a D-leaguer yet.

 

I can answer that for him and easily. His logic is (or at least should be) that Kevin Martin is not only a considerably more desirable trade asset than Budinger, but sufficiently older that it's a lot less likely he'll be the player he is today by the time we're contending. At least, I'd assume that's what he's thinking. Because he'd certainly be correct about that. I'm not opposed to trading Martin at all myself if the right deal comes around but I do think DD seems to be making light of Martin's contributions/worth to our team.

 

Martin is a good 1st option, but he'd be an even better 2nd option.

 

I know. And I still can't get the image of Aussie Allstar Patty Mills tearing AB a new one. He tried that **** on Lowry once, even hit a 3 in his face. Next trip down, Lowry bulldozed through him like the midget scrub that he is straight to the hole for an and 1. And called him a "b****" at the same time, to his face. Mills wilted like a scared turtle after that. That is how you put scrubs in their place, instead of letting them light your ass up.

Anyways, I digress. Just curious why AB was never called "fool's gold", or a "net zero"? Probably because he was a net negative...

 

A 1st option has to be able to create shots for himself and his teammates. KMart is barely above average at creating shots for himself, and he can't create for his teammates. He would be a great 2nd option though, teaming up with a center who draws double teams or a star playmaker.

Can you imagine how good Martin would be if we can somehow miraculously get Howard or Paul?