Indiana Woman Charged With Murder After Eating Rat Poison While Pregnant

They should charge non-organ donors with several counts of murder.

 

The baby was at 33 weeks. I'm sorry, she deserves what's coming to her. Disgusting.

 

What it the possible logic behind this argument? That women are doing things to kill their baby at home and thus if we criminalize that action they will turn to abortion? This argument is a terrible argument. Whether you think this prosecution is justified or not, these groups who are coming to this woman's "aid" are making just awful points.

 

I pretty much agree here.

If it's illegal to have an abortion after X weeks, then the implication is that it so because that's killing a human life.

If I'm suicidal and try to kill myself jumping off a building, but instead land on a person, killing that person but saving myself, I should be charged with murder... even if I was suicidal. not sure how this is different?

 

This is where the flawed logic of pro-abortion comes into play. Who is to say when a baby is an actual being vs a clump of cells. Pro Choicers do not come close to unanimously agreeing on this subject.

That would be manslaughter, not murder.

 

There is pretty unanimous agreement that it is not at the time of conception.

I agree that at the maximum this should be manslaughter. The other problem that I have with this law is that it really does make the mother subservient to the fetus. In this case she is not be tried with attempted murder to kill herself since while suicide is a considered a crime to my knowledge it is not considered murder or attempted murder and is rarely prosecuted. The fact that she was pregnant and she is being prosecuted basically says that her life isn't as important as the life of the fetus.

 

Just to also point out that there isn't unanimous agreement on the anti-abortion side as there are many anti-abortion people who still support the use of birth control pills that act by preventing the lining of the uterus to develop to where an embryo can attach to it. What that means is that the fertilized embryo will die. So if life begins at conception then a birth control pill is indirectly killing a life.

 

I'm surprised to see abortion groups coming to her defense. I really can't see an angle where this is okay. I thought these groups wanted to distance themselves from back-alley abortions.

In that case, perhaps the comparison should be to someone who jumps off a building aiming to hit a particular person below in hopes of killing the target and herself at the same time, but succeeds only in killing the target while surviving. She intended to kill the fetus.

 

I like how a bunch of men are pretending to know what it's like to carry a fetus. To carry a baby inside their womb. You have no nourishing body parts for children. None of you are hard wired like a woman emotionally.

This woman was probably in a state of shock and made a decision to have an abortion instead of living a life as a tormented single mother. Is that such a bad thing? At 33 weeks it's not the PC thing to do, but sometimes you have to do what's best for your own abilities, however small they are.

She should not be tried with anything.

 

Unfortunately, at 33 weeks it's not the legal thing to do, either. Rights are based on principle and compromise: that's why Civil Rights only applies to public or commercial organizations, and why abortions are limited after the second trimester: otherwise, they would have never been validated by law or the public at large. Unless she fails a competency test/hearing I believe she's intentionally performed an illegal abortion. But if no federal or state law exists on the books to prosecute that, then she should probably walk.

 

Which is why the Catholic Church does not support unnatural methods of birth control.....

 

a 33 week fetus is a human being.

 

I believe abortion laws should be specific to each case. How many women would be in their right mind if they were immigrants of 10 yearsnand found out that the man they were about to have a baby with had a wife? That's harder to take than being cheated on because you're about to bring a life and all it stands for into this world all by yourself. Could she collect child support bills from the guy? Would she even want to coming from a traditional background? We see tons of single mothers but in the heat of the moment, not everyone believes they're strong enough for that.

Let's try to practice empathy here instead of writing her off as a murderer.

 

Including condoms, because according to the Vatican, cause AIDS.

 

The Pope doesn't need birth control anyway, you can't impregnate a 12 year old boy.

 

Actually she didn't choose to have an abortion. She chose to kill herself and take the fetus with her. She botched the suicide though.

 

True the Catholic Church does but not all anti-abortion groups agree with that stance. My point is that saying that the pro-choice side's logic is flawed because there isn't unanimous consent about when life does begin also goes to the anti-abortion side also as many are willing to support a practice that indirectly kills after conception.

 

This is why this country is broke. We waste money on cases like this. Did she mean to kill the baby? It doesn't seem that was her intent. I am sure the prosecutors are trying to find a way to convict her exBF.The prosecutor is just trying to get 15 minutes. Just call it a involuntary manslaughter and let it go.

 

If a suicidal mother decides to drive her car into a tree while her baby is sitting next to her in the car, and she survives while the baby doesn't, is that murder? It is at least manslaughter, right?