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Siemens Says US Workers Lack Skills

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by madmonkey37, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. Baqui99

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    Unfortunately most liberal arts majors coast through school with a lack of quantitative skills since the curriculum simply doesn't require a whole lot of math and science. As a result, they have a more difficult time adapting to the workplace, or finding a niche when they graduate.
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Maybe for a time - but frankly, the one industry that can't be touched here, worldwide, is actually a form of the arts. America is effectively the content provider to the world - math and science can be outsourced a lot easier than Hollywood. That's why MFW's posts are so unfunny.
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    Why do we need unions for education exactly?

    We need to reform our education system to reflect the fact that most will never obtain a 4 year degree. Incorporate a tiered system that identifies and places students in either a higher degree seeking category where there last two years are college prep, or alternate where their last two years are life skills. This would give those who know they will never get a degree something to strive for and a reason to show up to school. It would also greatly increase our skilled labor pool and fill the labor gap.
     
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  4. sammy

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    I got plenty of skills on the dance floor. My main moves consist of this

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    sorry i couldn't resist :eek:
     
  5. glynch

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    No need to get their hands dirty or make less than $100 K to start with fat expense accounts paid for by ordinary folks with their piddly 401(k)'s. All elite grads with math skill should continue to go to Wall Street as finance grows and grows its percentage take of the GDP.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Well the politicians still screwed things up in CA. But for the second year in a row, the unions managed to uncover money in various accounts, fight against hiring assistants for six figure salaries to executives in the school administration and managed to save over 3,000 jobs in Los Angeles alone.

    Without the union unemployment would be higher, the burden on the tax payer would be higher etc. The union has done great work here.

    I've been part of unions that sucked and were guilty of milking things and wasting money, and I'm now part of a union that is the opposite of that (thought not without fault). But even the worst of the unions I've been a part of they were still necessary to stop workers from being exploited by greed at the top.

    Since the 70's worker salaries have flatlined despite their productivity going up, and CEO's have reaped all the benefit since their compensation has gone up by 28% in 2010 alone. That's the recession filled 2010 we are talking about.

    Somebody has to stick up for the workers and disappearing middle class.

     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Because no school can replace or better hands-on experience in the field.

    Agreed 100%. I've said the very same many times myself. FWIW, those last two years of "life skills" could be a union apprenticeship, for example.
     
  8. Raven

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    Eliminate affirmative action, and allow companies to hire the best workers available.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    They are allowed to now. The only time affirmative action is mandatory is if there is a proven history of discrimination. There are incentives to hire minorities, but it is not mandated.

    There are also almost no examples of companies hiring unqualified candidates because of affirmative action.
     
  10. Supermac34

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    The biggest problem that people are facing is that many people that had "headcount filler" type jobs can't find jobs anymore, and there is as much of a shortage of very good employees as there ever was.

    My company STRUGGLES to find people to find people to fill roles, and even though we get 4X as many applications to each job posting, the people with good skillsets are as rare as ever.

    I think one issue is that a lot of people that would have been on the open market looking to further their career in the past are too scared to make a change in this economy. It is harder to recruit talent away from other companies than it was in the past. Fewer people with top talent are willing to take risks.
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    I'm a big fan of this...

    but you guys realize if they played fairly, something like 50% of all qualified executive applicants would be Asian.

    40% of the Ivy League would be Asian (making Stanford race-blind upped the percentage from 20% to 40%)

    -Kurt Vonnegut.

    be careful what you wish for, in summation.
     
  12. thadeus

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    I say we keep affirmative action and make it even more binding (for universities in particular) but we base it SOLELY on parental income.

    Any school that gets state funding must have a certain percentage of incoming freshman who originate in the lower classes.
     
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    I am about to get my Literature degree...I guarantee you understanding Baudelaire is at least as hard and perhaps harder than understanding Engineering.
     
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    But yes.....wahhhh wahhhh earning money is the only important thing....wahhhhhh......wahhhh
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    you don't need a union for working experience.

    You don't need a union. You have a school, lol. Setup a shop and have instructors. Why do you need a union? to do this? You let the student pick auto mechanic, electrician, plumber etc then send them to that school. they can do actual work without unions.
     
  16. Bandwagoner

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    Did you read my post, and not understand it, or just skip it all together?
     
  17. thadeus

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    You do if you want paid training in a real-world setting.

    Why are you so stridently anti-union?
     
  18. Bandwagoner

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    i think our real government should provide the education to the people who need it for free in high school. We don't need a union to train skilled workers.
     
  19. pgabriel

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    I understand your point but i think part of the union training advantage is on the job training, something you won't get in h.s.
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    Welding shop could take actual contracts very easily. How is that not on the job training?
     

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