If I thought for even a second that he could be Paul Peirce I would be on board with drafting him. If the scouts thought he would be Peirce he would be the number 1 draft option for every team thursday night.
Blake Griffin could be available to us at #14 and some people would still want to draft Jeremy Tyler instead simply because he's two inches taller.
I agree that in the situation you are describing -an overall draft strategy- the pick itself is the target, not a specific player. Which was most likely the case for us last year, where BPA was the name of the game. However, I don't think that is the only circumstance where a team would want to move up. For instance, where we currently stand, a team with a clear hole in the middle. It is conceivable that we would target centers in the draft to fill that void. Not at 14(that would still be BPA), but to move up or down in order to fill that need. My point though, is that we shouldn't try to address that in this draft, when the likely cost will be too high, and when there is potentially a better alternative.
Might be just me, but I consider all three of those (healthy Roy) to be superstar players. I wouldn't put them over LeBron, but I still think each can (could for Roy) lead their team to a championship with the right supporting cast. Do you rank them in a tier below superstar?
This is probably just different definitions for each person, "franchise player", "allstar player", "superstar player". When I say superstar I mean: Lebron, Kobe, Dwight, Wade, CP3(healthy) and maybe Rose. But currently that's it. I think below that you have: prime-Roy, prime-Pierce, Deron Williams, Carmelo, Durant, Amare, Nash etc. Where you can still win a championship with them being your best player, but you need a much stronger supporting cast as compared with the "superstars". Some of this is just fan, and my own, perception though. For instance, before this season, I would have put Dirk on the second list for sure. Now, maybe he is a superstar too? With Marcus Morris, I see his ceiling as a guy on the second list. But I see him as someone who has a VERY good shot at hitting his ceiling.
Morris is pretty quick for a guy his size. Draft express has him drafted at 10th. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Morris-5178/
If you think someone is that stupid, block their posts. Bear in mind we don't know how Tyler might turn out, I personally don't think he will have the same impact as Griffin, but who knows.
I agree about Pats. Plus, Morris is going to have a rude awakening when he finds out that NBA threes are a lot faster and stronger than the ones in college. His true position is at the 4.
Lets see if he's genius enough to have a starting center in out line up that's at least 6'10 this year...
3/4 court sprint / Bench press Richard Jefferson 3.15 / 14 Andre Iguodala 3.18 / 4 Terrence Williams 3.18 / 9 Tony Allen 3.19 / 17 Kevin Durant 3.24 / 0 Trevor Ariza 3.29 / 8 Shane Battier 3.30 / 12 Caron Butler 3.33 / 2 Luol Deng 3.34 / 5 Marcus Morris 3.15 / 11 Oh yes, a real rude awakening.
What point are you making here? You listed several NBA players with similar #s to Marcus Morris. How did you choose this group of players? It looks like there a number of good defenders there, and Durant. Is this a list players that compare to him to show that he has speed/strength to compete at the NBA level? I would be interested in seeing the numbers for the players that he played against in college. It's nice that he's got NBA ready #s, but I would expect that as a lottery prospect, his #s would be superior to the majority of college players. Therefore, going against people his own strength and speed would be difficult, if he's used to having an advantage in those areas. Can you post some college players for comparison? (I'd really like to know how he stacks up against his current peers)
Those are NBA small forwards. A couple very good defenders. The point is if people think he is too slow to play SF then they are going to be woken up impolitely.
I'm just curious what he played against. Is he normally stronger and faster than his match-up? If he is, then how will his game translate when he doesn't have that advantage? Your current list of players shows me what his future peers can do, but all we currently have to evaluate him on is past performance. Therefore, we need to see past peers to speculate what his future performance would be. If most of the players he played against in college are similar, then your point is valid and he's physically equipped to handle the NBA (& he should be, we're talking about a lottery pick). However, if the players he played against were inferior than it is a lot less of a sure thing.
How has Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce and Andre Iguodala and any SF who has ever had success in the NBA translate their game? How do you think they matched up physically against their college peers? I don't really get your point. The question wasn't if Marcus Morris would be good in the pros. The question was about which position he would play and if his supposed lack of speed would prevent him from playing SF. Obviously not, since he is quicker than most SF in the league right now. I am glad though that there is this widespread confusion about his game. I'd bet that some of it is because most people can't tell him apart from his twin brother, who BTW is slower and a traditional PF. This is good for us because the only way we even have a chance to trade up for Marcus Morris is if he keeps this stigma of a "tweener" and slides to 10 or below. Because as a tweener he would be a short 6'7 PF with a tiny wingspan, subpar vertical, and can't block shots. However, if the truth ever got out(or more widely known), that he is in fact a huge physical SF with handles that allowed him to play some PG in highschool and a post game that allowed him to play PF in college, he would probably be a top 5 pick. And way out of our reach. So in that sense, I'll be happy to perpetuate this myth that he is some Al Harrington or Antwan Jamison clone instead of the quicker Paul Pierce/stronger Caron Butler that he actually is.
maybe Rose? If Rose isn't a superstar, the term superstar is more fluff than substance. Rose is the best NBA player at the moment.
You don't want to "reach" for a center, but you're willing to reach for a very fine player (I certainly wouldn't say he isn't) who's played primarily at the 4 in college. I get that he's quick... that's a terrific 3/4 court sprint, and no one is going to deny he's strong, but how is his lateral movement, his lane agility numbers? Measurements like that can give a window into his defensive potential. We already know he isn't much of a shot blocker. Hey, I would be pleased if Morey drafted him, but I'm still not convinced he can play at the 3. Morris certainly thinks he can. I'm concerned that if he turns out to be more of a 4, that we're currently in fine shape there. I can imagine Patterson's surprised reaction if Morey drafts Morris.
