The fact that Dirk won without a true #2 is amazing

they were unconscious from downtown. look at orlando and how they got to the finals in 09.

 

It's pretty amazing that this time last year, Terry was viewed as aged and starting to lose effectiveness. Beaubois was supposed to take some of the scoring responsibility away. Terry's bounced back in a huge way.

 

it doesn't matter if Terry started on the bench. look at his Point per game and Minutes per game. he plays as many as any starter. most rational people don't ignore actual facts, Like what Terry's points were and minutes played. both prove for this run he was Dirk's #2.. does that mean he is a good ALL TIME as Pippen? no but for this season's run yes he was a #2.. look at the stats and u can't ignore this fact.. don't give me your opinion because that isn't factual.. go look up all the #2 that have played with the Superstar and you will see that Terry's 18ppg isn't far off from the rest..

 

in Pippens 6 nba titles he averaged 19.1ppg in helping MJ. Pip's best NBA Finals was in 1993 when he averaged 21.2ppg and MJ averaged a RIDICULOUS 41.0ppg 8.5rpg and 6.3 assts… so as you can see. FOR THIS TITLE RUN Terry stepped up and became dirk's #2. i do not think Terry is a consistent #2 in this league and can't be relied on for multiple title runs like Pippen was, but tip your cap to him for this 2011 run, he did step up in a huge way..

 

Most #2s do more than one thing. Terry scored and spread the floor, he scored a lot of decisive points and their spacing is important, but everything he did revolved around scoring. Pippen scored a little more and defended like nobody else and rebounded and ran the offense so he's a terrible comparison. Terry compares better to someone like Ginobili - but even Ginobili contributed more to the Spurs' titles because he was a good playmaker and offered better clutch play and defense. Props to him for doing what he did and the Mavs don't win it without him, but he still doesn't compare to other second fiddles.

Maybe we can agree to this: the dropoff between the Mavs best player and second best player is as great or greater than the dropoff between any other championship team's best and second best player. That way, we don't discount the fact that there was a second best player on the Mavs - just like on any other team - and we won't take the OP's statement the wrong way.

 

Then can we also agree that the drop off from the second to fourth or fifth players on that Mavericks team is almost non existent with Kidd, Marion and Chandler being as good as Terry?

 

I didn't say he compared to other second fiddles overall, but i do think "int this series" JET stepped up in a huge way like second fiddles are supposed to. But i don't think Dirk is as good as most superstars are.. just look at the stat line from all the other "go to guys" and you will see… Dallas was a more balanced team than anything.

 

Why does this even matter? If you look at Orlando, their team's dropoff from the 2nd to 5th is also non-existent, and they bowed out in the first round.

Fact is if you made a power rankings of their positions, Kidd would barely make the top 10 pg, terry would be top 25 and only Dirk and Chandler would be in the top 10 of their positions. Peja Stojakovic who was a key contributor would be in the "washed up" column, Stevenson would be in the "d league" category and so on...

 

Dirk was what allowed Jet and the other players to score efficiently. He was basically unguardable, and it forced Miami to center their gameplan on stopping him, freeing up all the other guys. If Bosh could have handled Dirk 1-on-1, then that would have allowed LBJ to lock on Terry, Peja, and whoever was on the wings while Dwade would have defended Kidd.

 

I agree and understand what you are saying, and it wasn't even just this series. The entire playoffs.

Among players who averaged at least 30mpg in the playoffs Terry was 14th in points/48 minutes. Only 0.1 pts behind Lebron.

Of those 14 players, Terry was tied for 4th in FG% behind Dwight, Dirk and Wade.

Of those same 14 players he was 3rd in 3pt% behind only Dirk and Pierce.

Yes, it is true from a career achievement and production standpoint the drop off from Dirk to Terry is one of the biggest in league history. But as far as production during that championship run, Terry was pretty damn amazing and probably performed on par with many of the great 2nd fiddles of the past.

 

Yea it was really nice that Dirt won without a true number 2, but lets not act like he didnt have a lot of help.

I think I'll rather have a team with one great player, and great role players that can help out every game than just two great players with no help.

 

Not really,he had Terry,JJ,who combined to function as a second scorer.
Marion,Peja were additional scorers. Kidd couldn't be left alone,and Tyson could dunk.

Dirk couldn't have won without the additional size which helped them defensively in the form of Chandler.

 

Strange . . . I think of it as Dallas winning without a True #1
Very Piston like. .


Rip Hamilton vs Dirk
21.4 pts vs 26
4 asst vs 2
5 rbs vs 9.6

Rocket River

 

Them numbers arent close.