Sometimes, I find that too much raw stats make people forget the concept of sample size. 150 minutes is less than 5 games worth of data for a player. That's why Ellis shot 38% in "clutch" last year and 48% this year. He didn't magically became 10% better shooter in the clutch this year. But simply due to volatility of low sample-size data. Just because the Rockets run a more diversified offense under Adelman doesn't mean each individual player sucks more in clutch situations. It just means Adelman likes to spread the ball around. Oh, and Golden State won 35 games. The Rockets won 43 games.
You seem like a smart guy, so I won't bother telling you that ONE player isn't responsible for a TEAM record. Discount the stats if you want, but they are what they are. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your "Martin is awesome" opinion. I have no idea why you brought up Adelmans offense -- I looked at shooting %, not points. Adelmans offense isn't the reason Martins shooting %s plummeted in the clutch.
Exactly. Most of the posters don't understand the risk you have to take to get borderline superstar. When you're a team with bottom level talent, as Morey's provided us, we can't be too picky about a high level talent
We understand the risk, but he's not a borderline superstar, someone who needs the ball in their hand but can't make an all-star game is the very epitome of fool's gold. We need a top 50 all-time player, Boston spent 5 years hunting for Garnett, no it's not easy, which also means it's not quick, but Ellis would arguably be a downgrade (he's a non all-star that needs the ball in his hands to be effective, that's a recipe for lose right there)
True, but it does show that the Rockets are a better run team. So whatever Adelman runs, whether it involves Martin or not, at least succeed more than Golden State with Ellis. When did I say that? We are comparing two players here. Not the rest of the league. If Miami is willing to trade Wade for Martin, I'd be helping Martin pack his bags right now. I have a higher opinion of Martin than most on this board. Doesn't mean I think he's the best thing since slice bread. I'm disappointed you just decided to selectively ignore my entire first paragraph.
I'd view Ellis as an upgrade. If he is available and you have to give up Martin, I don't think that is a bad swap. Ellis has that Xfactor you need come playoff time: the ability to just take over when the game comes to a grind it out half court game.
Wouldnt mind him here. Could work a way for him and Kevin Martin to coexist. More big players here on our roster? The merrier.
We need upgrades at 3 and 5 and defensively, or to add a superstar. Ellis provides none of that. If you can grab him for spare pieces, sure, but a Martin for Ellis swap makes no sense.
KM's go-to move in the clutch is the patented get-shot-and-fall-down flop. That means he'll be shooting fts in the 4th, or in the clutch. Fts are not recorded as shots, which means he won't have many shots, and that includes every single time KM had to chuck up a shot because there isn't anymore time in the clock. % averages are there for a reason, so you don't look at subset of games and end up overvaluing data which might not be relevant in the grandscheme of things. KM averaged almost 0.600% TS for the whole game, and that includes the 4rth quarter.
if people want ellis, they obviously did not watch the rockets last year. the rockets need a superstar: ellis isn't one the rockets need size: ellis doesn't provide it the rockets need defense: ellis hasn't shown it the past few years
You don't need a superstar center to win it all. If your center can block shots, you're set. Tyson Chandler was our last hope for that.
There are dozens of players who get robbed of allstar spots every year. Given the right system, Ellis can be a dangerous player. If you're Daryl Morey, looking at the below average job you've done, you NEED an exciting you talent like Ellis who can score anywhere on the court. Ridiculous logic could set this franchise back even more than Morey has since becoming GM. You're criticism of Ellis is "he needs the ball", but thats the same thing for every playmaker. Dont Kobe, Wade, Durant, need the ball to win??? Is that a requirement for allstar caliber player,
All you're points are valid, but I don't think you fully grasp where we are in the rebuilding process. First off, we can go young and draft or find a shot blocker through training camp. We won't have that hard a time finding athletic bigmen who rebounds and block shots. What we REALLY need is a closer. We need a player who can create off the dribble and score off the ball. Right now is the time for us to stockpile as much young talent as possible. You can't be picky when you have teams like Dallas LOADED with talent. If Morey's smart, he'd make a play for Ellis
But Kobe, Wade, and Durant are a lot better than Monta. I've seen some Warrior games. Heck the team seems to do better with Jeremy Lin. Ellis could be a good Jason Terry or Vinnie Johnson type.
I hate Manta Ellis supporters. PPG is your only measure of a ball player He is a chucker, a ballhog, lazy on d and his team plays better when he's on the bench, all the stats consistently show it. Thats why they want to unload him. And you Kevin Martin supporters aren't much better. He's almost as overrated, and I don't want either one. I dump him for a solid center any day of the week. There are only a few true difference making players in this league, and these guys aren't close. Collecting 20 PPG scorers from bad teams won't make you good. It's called it the shareef abdur rahim effect.
