[Doogie Wolfson] Houston has been calling a lot for Wolves #2 pick

Minny would trade the number 2 pick of this year's draft for Kevin Martin in a heartbeat

 

I think so... I think Daryl has made Kevin martin pretty much untouchable.

I see Dragic/Lee/Scola as being more likely trade pieces...

 

Derrick Williams is being looked at as almost best case, around Rudy Gay's level.

What was traded for Rudy Gay? Shane Battier.

I know Shane Battier is the no stats all star but he no Kevin Martin

 

Vanilla Ice? Is that you?? You makin a comeback?

 

Martin is actually worth more than this year's number two pick. Fans have a horrible time putting an honest value on their guys, but K-Mart is more than capable of getting Minny into the playoffs, he's just entering his prime, and has a sweet contract that probably won't look that bad even after the new CBA. Seriously, if Morey was desperate enough to offer Martin for the number two (and filler), Minny would be on that like a fat kid on a bowl of ice cream.

 

Or you could use real NBA value:

KMart was traded for a #32 pick a year ago, in which time he played good basketball on a non playoff team. He's now expected to fetch a #2 pick by the posters of Clutchfans due to a weakened draft.

Makes sense?

Kevin Martin does not push Minny or any team he's on into contention... he's too one-dimensional and GM's know this. Top 5 picks make and break this league, teams aren't dying to give them away for role players.

 

Morey is willing to trade Scola and something else for the #2 pick. He MAY be willing to trade Martin for the #2 pick, but I seriously doubt it. Yes, we may be 2-3 years away, but by that time, Martin will have fermented into a 30 y/o star scoring guard with very high efficiency, on an expiring contract. His value is only going to get better.

Scola is 30 now. He's the guy we want to move. The trade for the #2 has to involve Scola going somewhere else for a player that makes sense to send to Minny along with a draft pick and possibly another player from our team. We should be speculating on different 3-way trades for the #2 pick involving Scola and possibly our 14, 23, and/or 38 pick or some other player asset.

What team has a player that would benefit Minny that they would move for Scola?

 

Actually, yeah, it does make sense. It's a weak draft, and high picks still get paid whether they are productive or not, and the fact that Morey stole Martin doesn't hurt his trade value.

And Martin's good enough to alter the balance of power depending on where he ends up. He's not your main guy, but he's good enough to be the sidekick, oh yes.

 

Absolutely. Rubio throwing dimes to Love and Martin. That's a playoff contender right there. And almost a lock that Rubio throws up 10 assists per game in his rookie season.

 

His rookie season? With the T-Puppies? Granted, Martin would help a heck of a lot, but that's a lot of dimes for a rook. I've been a big fan of grabbing Rubio in the past, as you might remember, but have been concerned lately about his progression in Europe. He may have hit a wall in his development, similar to that big thing in China. It's going to be fun to watch his impact when he comes over, that's for sure.

 

Martin absolutely puts Minny into the playoffs. They are set at the post, and just need a wing scorer.

I'd do Martin + #23 pick for #2 pick + Pekovic + Webster.

Resign Hayes

Trade Scola for a 2012 draft pick.

Lowry/Dragic
Lee/Twill
Budinger/Webster
Hayes/Patterson
Kanter/Pekovic

This would leave you with 3 1st round draft picks in 2012, widely regarded to be the best draft in recent memory. You're set at PG, PF, and C, and just need to add a couple of pieces at SG and SF.

 

Agreed. Patterson is ready to take the starting PF spot. It is a small sample, but in the 3 games Patterson started for Scola, he put up nearly a double-double in all the games, if memory serves. Not only that, in those 3 games, our team defense was actually respectable.

Having said that, I don't see too many teams wanting Scola and his contract. It has to be a contender who is looking for additional offense, as I don't see a young team needing his services, like the Thunder.

 

Yes. Martin and Love in offensive combination would be absolutely deadly....on the offensive end. They are both ultra efficient and they both shoot the 3-ball extremely well. Now, add Rubio, a great pick and roll point guard who sees the floor tremendously well. That's a recipe for 10 assists per game. And I haven't even mentioned whoever else is left of Wes, Beaz, and Randolph for throw downs and more wide open 3-balls.

 

That is a very bad team. You are basically trading your two best offensive players (Martin/Scola) for a gamble of a draft pick Kanter.

-See BimaThug's previous entry where he compares trading Lebron James for a draft pick because Mike Miller is pretty good. Martin is not Lebron obviously, but its the same circumstance. Kevin Martin is as important to this team winning as Lebron is to the Heat winning under current conditions.

Keep in mind that no matter how much you "like" a draft pick like Kanter, he is a gamble by nature. In most drafts he would be a mid to later first round pick. But since so many teams are starving in the middle, he is getting attention because of his height.

If I was Morey I would rather go for Nikola Vucevic at the 14th pick, then trade my best two players to get Enes Kanter and a 2nd round pick in 2012. The difference in Vucevic and Kanter at this point is not that much different, and who knows, Vucevic's ceiling might actually be higher.

 

This sounds like by far the most likely scenario for us to get #2. Im not real sure what exactly Minnesota is looking for, but Ive heard it rumored that they want a veteran point guard to kind of mentor Rubio. If that's the case, I think Denver might make sense, as a quality low post scorer is their biggest need and Scola fits that bill, and they could send Felton to Minny and turn the team over the Lawson. Im sure there would have to be a few more pieces involved in this type of deal, too, but I think this would be the base of any trade. Id say a deal like this is pretty unlikely, but it's probably our best shot at getting #2.

 

People who say that Martin is worth more than the #2 pick are missing the critical element of marginal value over absolute value.

The reason why someone like Kanter can be worth a Kevin Martin isn't because he'll be better than Kevin Martin, but rather Martin is more easily replaced. Shooting guards are simply abundant in general, especially when your GM has a knack for finding talent. Not to mention the Rockets already have Courtney Lee ready to step in.

OTOH, the difference between an Kanter, assuming he at least somewhat pans out, and Hayes/Hill may be quite huge. Simply because the center position is much more critical to a team's defense. So if Morey is sold on him or whichever other big man in the #2 slot, that could represent a huge upgrade even if Martin > Kanter(or someone else).

Of course, if Morey takes a non-center with the pick pretty much nullifies everything I've said. But I do believe he's looking for a center. Or he thinks Derrick Williams and Kyle Irving are sure fire superstars-in-waiting.

 

Shooting guards are easy to find, Kevin Martins aren't.

 

Not really. One is a HOF who is being compared to the GOAT, the other is still seeking his first all-star game appearance. I know lawyers like to use extreme hypotheticals to make their point though.

 

Kevin Martin untouchable now? Kevin Martin worth #2 pick in most drafts??? Man, we REALLY over rate our players. In the end, Morey will be a failure b/c he just can't meet Houston Rockets fans expectations.

Landry is the next Carlos Boozer..
Lowry is the next Kidd
Martin is a superstar that just needs better players around him. Untouchable.
Patterson is going to be better than bosh, we don't need that overpaid scrub.
Brooks is the more efficient Allen Iverson
Yao is better than Dwight
Chuck Hayes would start on every team in the NBA
TWill has Lebron Lite potential
Hill could be the next Amare still with more time
Thabeet needs playing time, he's the next Mutumbo
Budinger is untouchable with his sweet stroke and athleticism. He's only going to get better on defense and become a Ray Allen clone


Disappointment awaits the majority of you. I say trade it all away for picks and do so bad the next 2 seasons that we get good lottery picks for once instead of staying in mediocre central. Do not rely on staying in mediocrity hoping we will get a superstar. Get draft picks and cap space and then you push for the stars, if it fails, at least you have good potential players that could turn into stars themselves.

 

Honestly how many players have exploded onto the scene out of no where? It's like we expect our players to develop into elite players after a few years. How many Jermaine O'neals and T-Macs are there? Even then, they were both high picks with loads of potential b4 they blew up.

Is Martin all of a sudden going to turn into a 28ppg 5apg number 1 option? He's a 18-21 ppg scorer on lottery teams. He is only a good fit as 3rd option at best on Elite teams.

Is Lowry going to keep improving so much that he's going to be top 5 pg? I can see him improving more but come on...

You look at all elite level talent in the NBA right now and nearly all of them played from the get go as rookies and were already all star level as rookies.

Lee isn't going to jump into the starting lineup bc of injury and turn into a Superstar out of no where. Neither is BUD, Lowry is as good as a Darren Collison level but neither will ever be elite. Patterson will develop into a solid role player, not an all star. TWill is a Martell Webster level type rotational player. Dragic is a career backup pg. Hill will be riding the pine most of his career.

Draft is the only way or a miracle happens and we have another T-Mac trade like situation where a D12 or CP3 wants Houston.