Hey, Donny, what’s up? The article, which you submitted, provided plenty of perfectly in-context examples of why I have no interest in Chad Johnson. I took nothing out of context. Do you know how I read this? “MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeMeME!” It’s all about Chad Johnson. And the article indicates they actually did engage in trade talks (as did Johnson, actively recruiting Dan Snyder to deal for him, IIRC). My take from that at the time was that Cincinnati wasn’t opposed to trading him so much as opposed to letting the inmates run the asylum and dictate courses of action for the franchise. Keeping him was punishment-like. Again, tat was my interpretation at the time. Here’s one example – I pulled it from your response: “it looks as if what he was upset about was the F.O./Coaches not coming out and defending him against the media.” That’s whining. To me, at least. He sounds like a baby. It’s certainly not evidence of some gritty, win-first mentality. Good lord – are you his agent? Gracious about his bestest buddy coming to play with him? How is skipping workouts and demanding a trade not selfish or high maintenance? I would love to see something corroborating this “incredible” work ethic. I don’t doubt he works hard – I’ve never heard he doesn’t. But I’ve never heard it labeled with such superlatives. If wrong, I’m wrong – but it’s a legitimate question. And I think that’s kind of where this lives – I’ve never heard extremely great or extremely poor things about Chad Johnson. He leaves plenty of room for your own interpretation and biases. If he’s a good guy who works hard and wants to win above all else, cool. I just don’t personally see it. I would disagree. It screams, “Me first” mentality. Sorry. We can agree to disagree – but I have no use for that. Again, I think it’s a matter of perspective, bias, etc. I don’t follow the Bengals or him – what I’ve seen, I haven’t liked. Have I been spoiled by rooting for guys like Campbell, Dream, Baggio, AJ? Humble, quiet guys who went about their work without a trace of diva? Yeah, maybe. I think this is obviously a very critical time in the Texans’ history. I’d hate to see anyone come in and unnecessarily rock a boat that is precarious to begin with. So guys like Johnson scare me. I want no part.
It certainly would be terrible to rock that boat of 8-8 consistent mediocrity - gotta make sure we don't mess that up! Sounds like a fear of change.
I don't mind divas as long as they perform on the field. Ochocinco hasn't had a great season since 2007. He only had 4 TD's last year. In comparison, Kevin Walter had 5. You can argue that he was 2nd option behind TO, but Walter was 3rd option behind AJ and OD. I'm not too excited about Cromartie, BUT...(here comes that phrase again) he's better than any other DB currently on the roster, so why not. Didn't he also return kickoffs and punts last year? I still don't think McNair would sign him, since he's not exactly a boy scout off the field. Where is everyone getting this info about him practicing with the Texans D?
Does it really take that much discussion to figure out Chad Johnson? Is he a diva? Yes. But does that mean he doesn't work hard and want to win? No. So long as he accepts reasonable pay for being a #2 and clearly understands that is what he is (how couldn't he with Andre on the team?), I have no problem with him. He's not an Albert Haynesworth or a Randy Moss that is just going to quit on the team. I think he just wants to win.
Most are speculating off this tweet from Cushing... Link: http://twitter.com/#!/briancushing56/status/81159712137150464 that said Cromartie just denied it via twitter as well.. Question asked: Link: http://twitter.com/#!/ToroTimes/status/81324954985054208 Cromartie reply Link: http://twitter.com/#!/A_Cromartie31/status/81382784479924224
It's ok to admit you made a mistake here, Ric. T.J. is Chad's long-time friend and teammate, you referenced him as if he was just some random guy on the team that was saying the Bengals would better off without Chad on the team, which doesn't take into account the situation in that *of course* the Bengals would be better off by trading a guy who was going to sit out. You absolutely took that out of context. Uh, ok. That's your prerogative, I guess. Most here would disagree it seems. ...wut? On February 14, 2008, Marvin Lewis announced that the Bengals never discussed trading Johnson and would not unless the right deal was there. The Redskins had made an offer the year prior, but they rejected it. Just because someone made an offer does not mean they asked for an offer to be made. Yeah, because he wanted out. Do you hold this same kind of grudge against any player that wants to be traded? Your interpretations of these events is pretty funny. Once again, do you always consider a team refusing to trade a player as "punishment"? If that's the worst example you can find, I'm very nonplussed by that. Where did that come from? Did you not see how public he was in his welcoming of T.O.? Did you not see how he said, over and over, how he would gladly take a backseat to Owens because he considered him an all-time great? (of course you didn't, because as you already admitted, you don't pay attention to him or the Bengals) We're talking a future HOFer that basically has owned the Bengals franchise for the better part of a decade letting some guy come in and deferring to him from day 1. That doesn't sound very high maintenance problem child diva butt-hole behavior to me. Andre Johnson: Selfish, high maintenance wide receiver? It's becoming increasingly clear that you have some kind of personal bias against attention whores. I get that. I honestly do. I don't like it, but I've gotten past that and I look at things the same way Major does. You can be a spotlight lover and not a chemistry killing malcontent. They're not mutually inclusive. Oh, I almost forgot that Dream held out for a new contract and demanded out too. What a selfish, high maintenance asshat? It seems you're spooked by your own shadow. You don't appear to be applying the same standard of judgment to the behavior of all of these athletes. I guess if Chad wasn't all over the twitterbook and didn't like to dance in the endzone, you wouldn't hold his trade demands against him as much? Or at least it looks that way. But like ima said, this is a fruitless argument (our favorite, eh?), cause neither one of these guys are coming here. Not Cromartie the baby factor, and not Chad the broadway dancer.
I'm not saying he will, I'm just saying that I would welcome him as a #2 at the right price. I think there is about a 3% chance that we spend money on the WR position, and I can't blame them given our defensive holes.
Sheesh. That’s fine – I admit to not knowing TJ Housmanzada from TJ Hooker. Are they friends? OK. My bad. Here’s what Chad himself said: “he addressed how the media and team treated him during the 2007 season, saying, ‘I was labeled selfish and a cancer, and it hurt...’” It’s straight from the horse’s mouth, Donny.
To be fair, even if Cromartie WAS practicing with the Texans right now, wouldn't it be dumb for him to admit it?? After all, he's an UFA, so right now, his main priority is to get the best offer for himself from another team. If he pigeon-holes himself, and puts it out there that he's already committed to the Texans, that might scare other teams off, which would then allow Houston to low ball him. This way, another team could possibly come in, and at least force the Texans to give him a higher offer. Truth be told, I'm just glad guys are still considering us after the epic fail of a season we had last year. My hope is that we still go hard after Asomugha, and if we can cop Cromartie too, that would just make things even sweeter.
Ochocinco is awesome...I used to hate him up until about 2 years ago when I actually started to find out things about him. Great guy, great character, great teammate. Sure, he likes to get his name out there, but I dont care about that. I'd welcome him to the Texans in a heartbeat.
Yep. The Texans are easily the closest to title contenders in Houston sports. Everyone is down on Kubiak and rightfully so but I still love the potential of this team. Can't wait for free agency to start!
We have the same team that lost 8 of the last 10 games last year, with the 2 wins coming against 1) a 3rd string QB and 2) a team that was actually trying to lose the last game of the season.
:grin: Have you ever heard the story of the frog that dreamt of banging the princess and eventually did?(referencing that wade phillips quote) That Defense last year was historically god awful. With Wade's track record of turning defenses around quickly, there is hope. It's been the trend lately that those teams that barely get in the playoffs are the ones that do the most damage. A 15th ranked Defense, an improvement on special teams and our Offense will equal a wildcard birth. There is no way that the texans don't spend money on a veteran cornerback and/or safety. To borrow a line from Lebron, it's now or never. :grin:
I know (hope) they'll be better than last year. Just not ready to call them Superbowl contenders just yet. Every team "has the pieces to become a Superbowl winning team" so that doesn't mean anything. How 'bout we get to Week 13 with a better record than 5-7 for a change?
