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Wade or Kobe?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Glenyo, Jun 13, 2011.

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Who would you pick over Wade or Kobe?

  1. Wade

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    35.7%
  2. Kobe

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    54.1%
  3. Meh

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    10.2%
  1. apollo33

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    Implying rebounds and assists don't help win games.

    Implying you are an idiot.
     
  2. roslolian

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    This. Kobe's 2nd best sg to ever play the game, and IMHO is a much better offensive player than MJ in their prime. Wade's an undersized sg.
     
  3. GreatOne1978

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    Both of them got enough rebounds and assists so why didn't they win? They didn't do it at the right times...Game 6 for examples they were down 10 with momentum on their side just like Game 5 of the chicago series, they gave up one offensive rebound after another to Marion and Chandler. Lebron and Wade rack up the stats in the 1st 3 quarters and when Carlisle tightens up the D in the 4th they failed miserably. Both combined for 6 shots yesterday in the 4th...seriously? 2/3 each of them...are you really telling me they can each take only 3 shots in the 4th?
     
  4. GreatOne1978

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    Actually scratch that...Wade 2 for 4...Bron 3 for 5. 3 more extra shots combined LOL boy like thats something to be proud of. These guys just crumbled under the pressure, they got their stats to make it look tidy and didn't do a whole lot of game winning plays on either end to help their team
     
  5. VBG

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    Wade right now for sure. For the past two years as well.

    Over the prime it's pretty close but I gotta go Kobe
     
  6. GreatOne1978

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    Wade is also responsible for the Game 4 loss. HE had a chance to tie the game at the free throw line at the end and he bricked it.
     
  7. Rockets Pride

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    all time or now?

    Wade now

    Kobe all time, by far
     
  8. Tom Bombadillo

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    This doesn't make any rationale, nor logical sense.

    In essence, every single player that missed a shot up to that point was responsible for the loss in game 4, because the value of a basket does not change from quarter to quarter. A made free throw in the first quarter would have done it.
     
  9. Tom Bombadillo

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    Slightly better argument, but still flawed.

    You Kobe guys are picking the wrong arguments, I tell you. Momentum changing plays? Winning plays?

    We have seen both extremes with Kobe. If Kobe consistently made winning plays in key situations, he would have two more rings... He has literally shot his own team in the foot twice, on the largest stage. A single Lebron/Wade failure doesn't condemn them for life. It didn't condemn Kobe, nor his fanboys.
     
  10. BleedRocketsRed

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    Agreed. Wade's final MVP last year and the one the year before that were both extremely impressive.


    GTFO!
     
  11. VBG

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    Kobe was best player on the team (arguably he wasn't the reason they won but whatever) so he won MVP.

    Dwayne Wade was carrying Jermaine O'Neal as like his 2nd best player to the playoffs.
     
  12. BleedRocketsRed

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    He was easily the best player/reason they won/whatever in '09 and '10 is debatable but he still did step up when he needed to step up.

    That supporting cast was still better than what Kobe had in the mid 00s. Not only did Kobe take Odom+D-Leaguers to the postseason, but they were very competitive against very good teams.

    How many 15 win teams has Kobe been on?
     
  13. GreatOne1978

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    What about the timing of it? Wouldn't that free throw meant the most considering how late in the game it was and the opportunity to still remain in the game was higher? Just saying.
     
  14. VBG

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    Wade was injured for part of that season. Doesn't that show what ****ty supporting casts Wade had to carry?

    This is just my opinion but the reason the Lakers beat the Celtics was size. Bynum + Odom + Gasol. After all Wade's numbers against the Celtics in the playoffs last year blow Kobe out of the water.
     
  15. GreatOne1978

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    He had just has much unbelieveable stats in the Finals so why couldn't he win with a much better supporting cast then? (Lebron and Bosh).
     
  16. BleedRocketsRed

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    By that logic, Wade had a better year than the MVP LeBron James. It is failed logic to estimate which player had a better season than which.

    Wade played majority of that season, can't really blame it on injuries there.

    He has had guys like Beasley, Jermaine, QRich, Chalmers, Haslem- that isn't as horrible as a cast as you are imagining it to be.
     
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    ^ YUP! Wright is killing in Golden state. Maybe Wade's not as good as making teammates better as advertised or people think
     
  18. Rockets Pride

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    he's still said that Lebron sucks
     
  19. TEXNIFICENT

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    Lebron, Wade, & Kobe arebetter than any player to wear a Rocket uniform since Olajuwon was in his prime. And that's been what 15 years?
     
  20. BleedRocketsRed

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    Once again.

    We are talking about teams which had starters/rotation players (KEY PLAYERS) including:
    Luke Walton, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Tierre Brown, Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Maurice Evans, Brian Cook, Devean George, Jumaine Jones.


    Talk to me when Wade has a long list of losers getting significant minutes.

    Oh and he constantly took losers like that to the postseason where they put up a fight.
     

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