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How much better is Dirk's supporting cast than '10 Clevelands?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by CCorn, Jun 10, 2011.

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Better supporting cast

  1. '11 Mavs

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    89.1%

  2. '10 Cavs

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  1. Shaud

    Shaud Member

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    Let's not get carried away.

    But yeah come on who needs to ask this question? Dirk's supporting cast has made a ton of big shots unlike Cleveland's supporting cast.
     
    #21 Shaud, Jun 10, 2011
  2. tinman

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    1. Eastern Conference
    2. Come on dude. Jamison and Shaq are OBVIOUSLY past their primes.
    3. Mo Williams = overrated.
     
    #22 tinman, Jun 10, 2011
  3. redao

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    Dirk will never have LeBron's fantastic mother****ing supporting cast.
     
    #23 redao, Jun 10, 2011
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    :confused: at OP
     
    #24 The Rock MVP, Jun 10, 2011
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    bullardfan なんでやねん

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    imo, this is all Lebron needed to win with that team. He is THAT talented and Mike Brown is a 1-dimensional coach.
     
    #25 bullardfan, Jun 10, 2011
  6. TheFreak

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    Teams usually follow the lead of their star. I'm sure if Dirk had decided to quit like LBJ did against Boston in Game 5, it may have adversely affected the performance of the other Mavs.
     
    #26 TheFreak, Jun 10, 2011
  7. TheFreak

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    Not sure why this is such a ridiculous question when the Cavs won more games than the Heat.
     
    #27 TheFreak, Jun 10, 2011
  8. BleedRocketsRed

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    Past their primes/overrated or not, they did play well.

    And Delonte/Big Z were good as well.

    I'd take Dirk's but last year's Cavs were not as bad as people seem to think they are. This years Cavs was NOT LeBron's supporting cast (missing 3 starters in LBJ/Shaq/Delonte, missing another key piece in Z, injury problems to Mo Will/Jamison). To say they are "D-League Scrubs" is simply false.
     
    #28 BleedRocketsRed, Jun 10, 2011
  9. Shaud

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    Dirk played poorly with the flu and his supporting cast picked him up until he hit the game winning shot.

    In Cleveland if Bron played poorly the Cavs were pretty much done.

    Period
     
    #29 Shaud, Jun 10, 2011
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    Fixed your post.
     
    #30 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
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    Regular season records can be misleading. It's a lot easier to win games in the regular season with one superstar and a hard-working supporting cast just because you cant feast on the weaker teams.

    I can't recall a single Cleveland player ever really stepping up in the playoffs the past two years. This year, Dallas has had Terry, Kidd, Barea, Marion, and Chandler all come up big at different times.
     
    #31 Steve_Francis_rules, Jun 10, 2011
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    2010 Cavs

    Mo Williams All Star in 2009
    Shaquille O'Neal All Star in 2009
    Antawn Jamison All Star in 2008

    2011 Mavs

    Jason Kidd All Star in 2010
    Caron Butler All Star in 2008 *Injured
    Shawn Marion All Star in 2007
    Peja Stojakovic All Star in 2004
     
    #32 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
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    2010 Cavs

    Mo Williams All Star in 2009
    Shaquille O'Neal All Star in 2009
    Antawn Jamison All Star in 2008
    Zydrunas Ilguaskas All Star in 2005

    2011 Mavs

    Jason Kidd All Star in 2010
    Caron Butler All Star in 2008 *Injured
    Shawn Marion All Star in 2007
    Peja Stojakovic All Star in 2004
     
    #33 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
  14. clippy

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    So you'd trade Williams, Shaq, and Antawn for Kidd, Butler, Marion, and Peja?

    Don't worry, you don't have to put down LeBron to prop Kobe. He's doing ok without your campaign.
     
    #34 clippy, Jun 10, 2011
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    I didn't say anything about Kobe :confused:. Yeah I would do that trade. Bulter was useless for this playoff campaign and Peja was an unwanted free agent. Shaq Jamison and Mo Williams > Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion.
     
    #35 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
  16. clippy

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    The theme of all of your posts here in the Dish has been to bash on MJ or LeBron, which is the standard MO of a Kobe fanboy. If I'm wrong, my apologies, but if it looks like a duck...

    I think that trade is absurd. Last year Shaq was injured most of the time and was a shell of himself. He basically was retired seeing as he barely even played this year. Kidd > Mo and Marion > Antawn (I challenge you to find someone who argues otherwise). Yeah, Butler is injured, but he contributed to the season so he still counts. Also, the non-all stars on the Mavs are better than the equivalents on the Cavs. Chandler is probably the 2nd best player on the Mavs. And let's not get started with the coach.
     
    #36 clippy, Jun 10, 2011
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    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    I don't know why you keep saying Shaq is a shell of his former self. So are Kidd and Marion.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/Q8MeI

    What's the huge difference among them that makes it a laughable comparison?
     
    #37 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
  18. clippy

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    Well, you can look at games played, for starters. And that Shaq basically retired after last season.
     
    #38 clippy, Jun 10, 2011
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    Dallas destroyed the Lakers and their bench scored a zillion points every game.
    It's not close at all.

    I didn't say they were "d-league scrubs". reread my post.
     
    #39 tinman, Jun 10, 2011
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    He played 53 games out of 82 and all of the playoff games. That's about 70% of the possible games he could play :confused:
     
    #40 Yao Ming's foot, Jun 10, 2011
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