He can be, once we pick up his option, which we could do right now, if I'm not mistaken. I don't like the proposed trade though. That's way too much to give up and Derrick Williams is only a SF is his own mind.
I don't see the Wolves going for it. I love Kevin Martin but unlike a lot of posters, I just don't think he and the #14 pick are enough to get the #2 pick. Minny will be asking for a whole lot more. Plus, Jonny Flynn is a former #6 pick and just 22 years old. Why would the Wolves want to part with him for essentially two former second rounders in Dragic (not sure why he can't be traded) and Budinger? And then give Webster and Pekovic to boot? That said, the trade would give the Wolves a better chance of having a winning record next season. But I doubt they give up so much for such short-term gain.
SB Nation - Timberwolves 'intrigued' by McGee, Ellis, Gasol Gasol would make absolutely NO difference to the Wolves front line (having Love, Johnson, etc) and Mcgee too would do nothing but clog the lane and block a few tear drops here and there. However, Ellis does fill the void at the 2 for the T-Wolves. They get their scorer and their penetrator. Where does Houston fit in this equation? It's evident that Minny needs a clear cut proven scorer starting at shooting guard. For the past five years the position has been home to McCants, Ellington, Szcerbiak, Mike Miller, and the list continues. Viewing the list you can see that neither of those four guards are efficient and consecutive scorers. Kevin Martin fits the bill. He would effective immediately be slotted into the starting five and players like Love and Johnson will not have the signifcant burden of having to drop 18ppg nightly. GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% PPG 80 32.5 6.9-15.8 .436 2.2-5.7 . 383 7.4-8.4 .888 23.5 Statistic don't lie. Kahn needs to do his work and evaluate what it is that he really needs in return for the number two pick. The argument in our favour is the reality that this draft is considered weak in star player potential depth, although deep with average talent. In juxtaposing the 2nd pick and Kevin Martin's (proven) ability, it's evident that it would be a risk on our behalf. Fortunately, after having two consecutive 9th seed seasons, I am ALL for risks, even if that means handing over our best scorer for an un-proven 4 (who claims to be a 3). Darko, Randolph + 2nd pick FOR Martin, Hill + 14th pick (add neccessary fillers) OR Beasley, Tolliver + 2nd pick FOR Scola, Thabeet + 2nd pick (add neccessary fillers) OR Flynn, Randolph, Webster + 2nd pick FOR Scola, Lee, Hill + 14th pick The Wolves get the veteran they're asking for and we get out 2nd pick prospect wing (considering we draft Williams) that could soon be our franchise cornerstone. Anything is possible. The proposed trades do not appear absurd or unfair. In fact they assist both organisations immediately. However, many houston fans are reluctant to trade away Scola or Martin for the 2nd overall pick. It may be the risk involved and the uncertainty of the value within the 2nd pick overall, but DM has promised us star talent and this seems to be the logical and realistic way of landing star potential. New coach, new era, new system. Bring it on Morey! Indeed it will be interesting to see how draft day unfolds.
Well sadly the value for the #2 pick isn't as valuable as years past. Specially with the current offers that reportedly the T-Wolves are getting(Monte Ellis from GS and Javele McGee from Washington). The market for the #2 pick is also low because some teams aren't convince that Williams can make the transition to the 3 spot. Making him fall under the twinner category.. As far as Jonny Flynn, he experienced a down year this past season only playing 53 games and averaging 5.3 ppg. He lost the starting spot to Luke Ridnour, and with Ricky Rubio coming in, I think they prefer to keep Luke and look to move Flynn. As far as the "2nd rounders" comment, a team doesn't care where a player gets drafted as long as he produces. For despite being "second rounders" both Dragic and Budinger have out produce a lot of the players that were drafted a head of them. Also another note of interest the T-Wolves have stated that they want to compete for the playoffs next year. So I think adding a 23+ ppg scorer, who can play off the ball, a long with a young athletic SF, who can shoot the lights out the ball. Would be very welcomed in Minnesota... JMO Okay I see what your doing with this trade... Essentially your trade could be divided into 4 sections... Kevin Martin for 2nd overall pick | 14th pick for Nikola Pekovic | Goran Dragic for Jonny Flynn | Chase Budinger for Martell Webster The big problem I see with this trade is that, I don't think Nikola Pekovic is worth the 14th pick, specially with a chance of Bismack Biyombo still being there at 14. As far as the rest of the trade, I would also look to move Goran Dragic from the trade proposal. The T-Wolves already have a good back up with experience in Ridnour. Plus Dragic could be a part of another possible deal involving Scola for the Kings pick. So to modify your trade.. I would do this.. Kevin Martin for 2nd overall pick | <Strike>14th pick for Nikola Pekovic</Strike> | <Strike>Goran Dragic for</Strike> Jonny Flynn | Chase Budinger for Martell Webster | + Anthony Tolliver Kevin gives them close to equal value in return for the 2nd pick, Chase, young and on a cheaper contract can be seen as a longterm replacement for Webster off the bench. Both Tolliver and Flynn have low to negative value, both can be seen as trade fillers.
Wrong forum... but looks like theyre asking price will be pretty high. Maybe kevin martin + fillers would get it done, but looks like they have greater options elsewhere
I would do Kevin Martin + for Derrick Williams, if they are looking at Ellis they sure have to look in the direction of Kevin Martin. Martin is much better than Ellis apart from 1v1 play and age.
An Ellis and Rubio back court just can not co-exits. Monte needs the ball in his hands to be effective, and so does Rubio. Rubio needs guys who can play off the ball and can space out the court to make up for his lack of shooting, a long with the ability to rack up a ton of points. Which is why Kevin Martin would make so much more sense than Monte Ellis.
Javale Mcgee would be sick next to Kevin Love. Then the Wizards can get Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter with the 2nd pick and maybe Biyombo/Vesely/Jonas with their pick. Wrong forum too. Both of em.
So if this weren't such a weak draft, I'm wondering where a guy like Williams would be drafted. Top 5 or top 10? Let's say he'd be between #6 to #8 in a "normal" draft. I still say Martin and #14 pick (which would probably be like a #22 pick in a "normal" draft) won't get it done. You metioned the current offers for the Minny pick; well I remember Orlando offered up Gortat for Martin, and some other ridiculous offers. In other words, other teams may not value Martin as much as we do. You may be right about Flynn though. IIRC Minny reportedly offered to swap Flynn for Brooks but Morey opted for the Dragic trade, which means Morey can't be too high on the guy.
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^^ One more thing. I'd bet Minny would be asking for Washington's #6 pick along with McGee. Which would make the Wizard's offer much better than ours. Sorry for being pessimistic about our chances, but that's how I see it.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Wizards would be stupid to trade McGee. He was starting to step it up late in the season. Averaged 13-10-3 in the month of March. That's the type of upside he has and he is already the best shotblocker in the game. Timberwolves would have a scary athletic front court with Beasley, Randolph, McGee to go with Kevin Love.
I think Martin and #23 would do it. Remember, they have the #20 pick also. So, to them, it would be like getting 3 picks in the 1st round. You might want to throw in that #38 as well seeing as the Wolves don't have a 2nd round pick. Just a thought.
To the OP: Kahn will not trade the 2nd AND Randolph/Beasley/Love for anyone on the Rockets roster. I'm absolutely certain about this, even though Beasley is dreadfully overrated. I would absolutely quit following the Wolves for good if we traded the pick for McGee. I'm not certain about a lot of players at the #2, but for a moronic knucklehead like McGee I would lose it. We have enough athletic morons. And wasn't March the month that he did that triple-double stunt?
