Defensively, Ben Wallace belongs on that list of players. Obviously, he is no Dream. I would agree with you that Shaq and Yao impacted the game in a more significant manner in the paint, due to pure size in most cases. That said, Ben Wallace is a great center in his own right, and perhaps Bismack could be as well, especially If you can find a Rasheed Wallace type defender at PF to counter the lack of sand in his pants.
Carl Landry, on the other hand, was 6'9'' in shoes but had a 8'6'' standing reach... which is ridiculous short. In fact, I believe he and Kevin Willis hire the same person to help them wipe themselves.
Only Hakeem can be considered better than Wallace, the other three aren't on his level. We're not talking longevity here. Anyway, the guy said post-Hakeem, it's not even a debate.
I agree. Wallace was a all-time great defender in his prime. It is a shame he was a undrafted rookie and teams had tried to force him to be something he was not earlier in his career. Just look at what he did in his burst of greatness and it stacks up there with the greats and he was defensive beast. I remember this guy having 20 rebound games with like 4 or so blocks. He was a menace around the paint on defense. I am not going to say that the Pistons team he was on was stacked with great defenders because they were and that made his job a bit easier but he still just got it done and end up winning 4 DPOY awards.
Get this into your head... Height in the NBA isn't as important as it might be in Europe, what matters most in the NBA is length and athleticism! You would know this if you actually watched NBA games. --------- Examples: Dwight Howard is 6'9 without shoes, but possesses a massive 7'4.5 wingspan and a 35.5 inch vertical making him play much bigger then his listed height. Nene Hilario is also just 6'9 without shoes, but also possess a big wingspan at 7'4 and a 34 inch vertical, which also makes him play much bigger then his listed height. Brad Miller is a legit 7'0, but the guy can't rebound or defend the rim for ****. Due to his lack of athletic ability and length, possesses a poor wingspan and a poor standing reach. --------- Sure Biyombo is 6'9 w/shoes, but his 7'7 wingspan and standing reach at 9'3 makes him play much bigger then that. Is that really a hard concept for you to get?!?
Would this work? Minnesota Gets: Houston's #14 pick (draft and trade), Kevin Martin ($10.6M), Goran Dagic ($2M), Chase Budinger ($0.8M). Houston Gets: Wolves #2 pick, Jonny Flynn($3.2M), Martell Webster ($4.8M), Nikola Pekovic ($4.3M) Reason for Minnesota: Gets one of the top scorers in the league to go next to Kevin Love, Darko Milicic, and Michael Beasley. Also get a solid PG in Dragic and a bench scorer in Budinger. Get rid of draft mistake in Johnny Flynn. Reason for Houston: Draft potential all-star in Derrick Williams and get Pekovic as a short term solution at Center. Houston PG: Kyle Lowry/Jonny Flynn SG: Courtney Lee/Terrance Williams SF: Derrick Williams/Martell Webster PF: Luis Scola/Patrick Patterson C: Nikola Pekovic/Chuck Hayes
Good trade, but I think I would look to see if we can manage to keep the 14th pick and replace it with a cambo of 23rd pick + future pick. With a realistic possibility of Biyombo being at 14 , I would try to keep that pick.
You've got to give something to get something. I think it's more important to hold onto our two 2012 picks than the #14 pick this year. If we made a trade like what I proposed, it is VERY likely we would get a top 10 pick with our own, and a 15-22 pick with NYKs. We could use those two in a package for a top flight center, or just draft a center and pick up a solid guard with the NYK pick.
I can't wait to see how the Ben Wallace myths grow in 10 years.. and Wallace was not a better defender than Dikemebe Mutumbo OHMSS. I won't argue Ewing though.
Wallace could only guard 4's & 5's, & Deke was a superior defender who could at times take over a game defensively very late in career. Mutombo was flat dominant defensively in is prime. Both guys had very little offense, which kept them from being "franchise" type centers.
I wonder if Euroballers actually do block shots with their head, taking something from rugby and futbol. That's would explain Eurotroll thinking height matters so much.
I think that Minnesota with Martin, Drogic, Budinger will be an explosive offensive team. Plus I would venture to say that the Rockets would likely not have to include the 14th pick. Love - Darko Randolph - Tolliver Beasly - Budinger Martin - Brewer Drogic - Ridnour SO NO, THE ROCKETS SHOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY 1str round DRAFT PICKS.... Not if they are trading away Martin, Budinger, and Drogic
The guy is around 240 pounds and his real age is supposed to be around 23-24. He was too slight and light to be a center in the Spanish League. He should not be called a center.
Yeah, he was too small to defend low post centers in the ACB, the second-tier level of Europe. ACB centers are generally smaller than Euroleague centers. And I assume Biyombo had the same wingspan that he has now when he was playing there just a few months back.
Yeah your logic is about as good as Euroleague is at basketball, i.e. not very good. Thabeet can't guard NBDL centers either, I GUESS HE'S JUST TOO SMALL TO BE A CENTER DERP, lol.
I don't think it's that simple. Think of it this way, you are essentially swapping picks with the Wolves. To move up from solid contributor (#14) to potential all-star (#2), you need a good, proven commodity of need, i.e. Martin. But even Martin alone isn't sufficient. The Wolves know they need help at PG after huge wiffs on both Flynn and Rubio, and will want someone like Dragic to build off of. We have a need at Center, and Pekovic is a good young prospect at a position they already have depth at. If we can get away with Martin for the #2 pick, then sure, go ahead...but most NBA teams wouldn't do that. I'd also add that this fits Morey's MO. Sell high on Martin, Dragic, and Budinger....buy low on Flynn (2009 #6 pick), Webster (2005 #5 pick), and Pekovic (#32 pick....would have been top 10 if not for Euro contract situation).
You don't get it do you? We're taking about the NBA and I quite frankly don't give a **** about a second rate euro league. You were claiming that he wasn't big enough to play center in the NBA, and yet I showed you that compared to other top defensive centers, he physically is big enough. So let me stated like this, just so you can get this through your thick head. FROM A SHEER SIZE (height, wingspan and standing reach) STAND POINT, HE IS PHYSICALLY MORE THAN BIG ENOUGH TO GUARD CENTERS IN THE NBA. If he needs to add additional strength that can be arranged. You have no proof he is that age ... so until you do STFU &... Spoiler
